Decompression on Explorer
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matt
Well-Known Member
Nitrogenius
oppinionated ;)
you are turning it upside down. I just perceived going through this thread that at certain sceptisism and question towards the unit your and blues answers had been: Have you dove it and did you get a course on it?
That implies that in the course and while diving it you would understand something about the unit which is not evident from the otherwise available information.
Hence my comment.
From your answer it seems that there is no secret gimmick or anything one can only understand with a course.
Great. So let's get to the questions the participants have risen.. Everybody seem qualified then, right?
My comment you responded to here has nothing to do with tech/ccr expectations nor deco planning or anything. It was a comment soley related to decompression theory. It also had nothing to do with the unit. You implied that with a higher N2 gas loading dives would be as safe as such with lower gas (so therefore tissue) loadings. Which simply is wrong. Seems to remind of the argumentation of some bubble model software developer in anopther forum where some blue color was tried to be sold as red.. :uhh:
I think you misunderstand me. I don't have anything against the unit se. I just have doubts about the practical advantages in this SCR segment over OC nitrox as some other poster have here as well and that relates to the price / value ratio. That's all. If there is people wanting to spend these significant buck on a "simple" gas extender, hey that's fine. Just don't make anything out of the unit it isn't. There simply seem no apparent advantages over rec OC Nx. Yes you can get as long or a bit longer with a smaller tank. That's about it. Yes the approach by active injection and measurement seems to be more sofisticated as e.g. what the Gem does. On the other hand it comes along with additional system inherit dangers (cells and their failures). So the point is: what is the advantage of the system over pure extender like the Gem or like just taking more Gas (bigger tanks) along OC and is the price in a worthy relation to these..
I guess this is what it is about.
If we can agree that this unit is a fancy, expensive little gimmic to attract some rec divers in the segment (I don't care for cost and lokk what I have because I can afford it) the I guess everybody is happy
Cheers,
Frank
Capt Morgan
Member
So the point is: what is the advantage of the system over pure extender like the Gem or like just taking more Gas (bigger tanks) along OC and is the price in a worthy relation to these..
I guess this is what it is about.
If we can agree that this unit is a fancy, expensive little gimmic to attract some rec divers in the segment (I don't care for cost and lokk what I have because I can afford it) the I guess everybody is happy
Cheers,
Frank
My question as well. A GEM is elegant as there's no electronics to it. Nothing fancy. The sensor is merely there to provide info, not drive the unit. The only real failure points are scrubber/CO2, flood, or the second stage failing to inject.
The Explorer seems to be a fuzzy wrapping of all sorts of electronics to make one feel warm and fuzzy about it.
You'l be like Casey Jones next
I was going to try a rEvo and a Kiss next
But I think the future is Blue
I was going to try a rEvo and a Kiss next
But I think the future is Blue
What you need to do Mr H is call a reunion of Irish friends and associates, perhaps a spot of something Malin focused. There is at least one of everything you fancy ready for try dives in one degree of separation.
That might just happen Peter
I think I know someone with every major brand of box,, you being the only blue one, so you will have to come.
Don't think I know anyone with a explorer though
anyway I ain't going deep till the temp hits 12 degrees and the viz is 20mts plus, won't be long now
I think I know someone with every major brand of box,, you being the only blue one, so you will have to come.
Don't think I know anyone with a explorer though
anyway I ain't going deep till the temp hits 12 degrees and the viz is 20mts plus, won't be long now
dwhitlow
Member
I have read some of this thread, understood much of it, laughed often and concluded people are missing the real place for this device, on the basis it seems to solve a problem solved quite well with a twinset of 32%.
Clearly people are not seeing the potential for this within BSAC. It is an opportunity for BSAC to innovate and adopt something new which converts nitrox into air, makes trimix unnecessary, and which enables divers armed with an original set of BSAC 88s to don stormtrooper units adorned with chisels and hammers and lay waste to debris on the seabed with their weapons of wreck destruction.
Clearly people are not seeing the potential for this within BSAC. It is an opportunity for BSAC to innovate and adopt something new which converts nitrox into air, makes trimix unnecessary, and which enables divers armed with an original set of BSAC 88s to don stormtrooper units adorned with chisels and hammers and lay waste to debris on the seabed with their weapons of wreck destruction.
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Michael Thornton
Rebreather Enthusiast
You are correct Rebreathers are a waste. We could just as easily do 100m dives with several sets of OC tanks. Is there even an advantage.
The explorer is lighter than a single aluminum tank so how is comparing it to doubles a good comparison. It is quieter, warmer, more comfortable and fun to dive. Not all diving is about extending your no deco time. The fact that it has a DCP that allows the diver to select whether it wants to get more of an advantage by extending its tank (ie not inject as often) or inject more often and maintain a higher PO2 to extend it's no deco time or ANYWHERE in-between gives it numerous advantages over other SCR or gas extenders.
Then we have the people complaining because it has a computer. Why don't we go back to diving tables, it was simple and cheaper. Why would anyone waste money to have a more efficient better dive by using a computer. There are SCRs that are not computer controlled and are simple thats great but by this one being computer controlled with a solenoid it is more efficient and gives the diver more control without being overly complicated.
I agree the rebreather looks complicated but it is so simple to use that you run out of things to do in the short course required to dive the unit.
Mr fish
Active Member
whan will they be selling the limited deco topup course , as this unit im sure could work out the avg ppo2 allready , its just not going to give that info for free ,
and why should it , maybe able to sell a deco course and a update to the unit s on board computer , lol .
fun and games all round , id say ,:hehehm:
and why should it , maybe able to sell a deco course and a update to the unit s on board computer , lol .
fun and games all round , id say ,:hehehm:
Michael Thornton
Rebreather Enthusiast
Are you asking if you can see what the PO2 of the loop is? You can.
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Hang on a sec, I'm seeing this... Ideal for RHIB's, ideal for multi-dive 30 minute tea-bagging, they can still use their BSAC 88's tables with glee and abandon and if Kev would stitch on some retainers for their lump hammers it would be ideal.
From Buddy Commando to Discovery from the 20th to the 22nd century without any stops in-between...
dwhitlow
Member
Here was me looking at plans to retire by the sea and now I see a whole new career opening up to deliver the (yet to be written) Commando to Discovery SDC*** and charging only for materials and expenses. Clearly, in this case the materials would include their own personal stormtrooper unit so it might be more than the usual £20-£30 cost. All I just need to do is buy a unit, brush the dust from the Instructor badge and the world is my lump hammer!
(** for the non-BSAC readers SDC=Skills Development Course which is like PADI Speciality except delivered at cost)
Mr fish
Active Member
from your other post above
That is one of the advantages of an electronically controlled SCR. On ascent it will inject more often just as an eCCR does. It has Ozygen sensors and a solenoid.
thats only a advantage over the old type scr , my eccr keeps a set point when it injects more o2 in to my unit , your scr is just trying to keep the diver alive ,
as with the falling Ambient Pressure you now need more flow to keep the loop good , thats why it will deco you out on air
as once you lose the ambient pressure your going to be diving a pisspore o2 , that or your goiing piss all the gas away trying to keep a half right nitrox mix in the loop .
this electronically controlled SCR is Nothing like my ECCR or a MCCR ,
still waiting for them profiles , and was board so thats why i give this old turd of a thread a nother poke ,
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Michael Thornton
Rebreather Enthusiast
I never promised any profiles and am not near bored enough to go make them
I don't disagree with anything you have said. It is not trying to compete with mCCR eCCR or CCR in general. It is not claiming to be the best on deco because as you have stated its not. But for a shallow recreational dive those are not concerns for many people. Most recreational bubble blowers don't dive right up until their no stop time. Many of them run out of gas long before that.
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