First Impressions of the Explorer

Mr fish said:
This is more like a marketing scam , Than a thread on a dive forum ,
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Never before in the history of an internet forum have a bunch of people* who actually dived a piece of dive kit and liked it, come together to discuss the merits and shortcomings of said dive gear. IT IS AN OUTRAGE AND MUST NOT BE TOLERATED! MODERATORS, FRONT AND CENTER ON THE DOUBLE!

We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.:hail: (Meaning; we can arrange a try-dive for you...Mawhahahaha)

Disclaimer:*some who are diving professionals
 
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MatthewA said:
Never before in the history of an internet forum have a bunch of people* who actually dived a piece of dive kit and liked it, come together to discuss the merits and shortcomings of said dive gear. IT IS AN OUTRAGE AND MUST NOT BE TOLERATED! MODERATORS, FRONT AND CENTER ON THE DOUBLE!

We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.:hail: (Meaning; we can arrange a try-dive for you...Mawhahahaha)

Disclaimer:*some who are diving professionals
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Yeah really, this is the beginning of the end of all internet forums
 
Matthew MacLean said:
. The only thing I find off putting is the "rule" about repacking the scrubber. Reality has showed that people can and do get that right, so saying people cant repack there own scrubber just opens the door for after market people to make a replacement (that hopefully fits with the indicator mechanism).
Matthew
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They did that to meet the PADI requirements. I also disagree with it. Instructors will have factory scrubbers that can repacked. I don't think there will be a need to make aftermarket ones. I am definitely not paying someone to pack my scrubber :-)
Luckily I am not a PADI instructor. TDI is teaching it under TDI not SDI.

For those that think I have to much commercial interest in this just a few comments. I dive teach and sell Hammerhead, Sentinel, Optima, Prism 2, Inspiration, Evolution and now this. I also enjoy learning about other rebreathers. I don't bash any of the brands because there are things I like and dislike about all of them.
I try to keep my comments about design as an educative point of view not a sells point of view. Notice the HH vs rEvo thread I didn't tell him to buy one or the other just tried to answer his questions.

If you feel I am trying to sell you all an explorer I am not. Most of you already have a CCR and so you probably won't be buying one of these. Also when I am saying this is a good intro unit that's my opinion to educate people. If I was just trying to sell units I would try to sell a $12,000 product not a $4,500.

So far I just find it interesting that no one has said what they don't like about the explorer except that they think it has too much technology and that it is SCR. I was expecting to hear complaints of difficulty to use, WOB etc etc.



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CCR Josh said:
You are right in some ways.... We don't have an authority providing the statistics.... What I am trying to say is that I believe rebreather diving will follow a similar path.

As far as which rebreather is safer, so far the most definitive answer was given at RF3: they are all the same. My opinion- the Explorer has the ability to tilt the scales (even with less experienced divers) because of the safety features built in.

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Hi Josh,

You can't have your cake (or Easter Egg) and eat it too!:)

If the consensus of a group of people is that all rebreathers have the same safety level (even though they have vastly different levels of technology/safety features e.g HUDs, alarms, oxygen injection systems etc) then it necessarily follows that technology is not the key determinant of safety level. Otherwise safety levels wouldn't be the same, but variable based upon level of technology/safety features in each unit.

However, many years ago the consensus of experts was that the Earth was flat. Consensus doesn't necessarily lead to definitive or correct answers to questions where data is lacking. It is counter-intuitive to believe that such widely different CCRs all have the same safety level, rather than simply believing we lack data to tell the difference between the respective safety levels.

An alternative view would be the one common factor with all the rebreathers (the need for a diver) is the critical determinant in level of safety. Maybe that is where the focus of attention should be for safety improvement.

I wish Hollis well with their new product and hope it is a success; as I keep patiently awaiting delivery of the world's safest CCR (zero fatalities) I ordered and paid 50% deposit several years ago.

Regards,
Tony
 
MatthewA said:
Never before in the history of an internet forum have a bunch of people* who actually dived a piece of dive kit and liked it, come together to discuss the merits and shortcomings of said dive gear. IT IS AN OUTRAGE AND MUST NOT BE TOLERATED! MODERATORS, FRONT AND CENTER ON THE DOUBLE!

We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.:hail: (Meaning; we can arrange a try-dive for you...Mawhahahaha)

Disclaimer:*some who are diving professionals
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discuss the merits and shortcoming , lol
you mean like Ben tried to , but got gang fuuked by the tag team . well not true as Ben did a good job holding is own ,

try dive s i dont do sorry , :smackbum: but thank you for the offer ,

ps and its not a bunch its 3 or 4 , with a $ in mind ,
 
Tony_Q said:
Hi Josh,

You can't have your cake (or Easter Egg) and eat it too!:)

If the consensus of a group of people is that all rebreathers have the same safety level (even though they have vastly different levels of technology/safety features e.g HUDs, alarms, oxygen injection systems etc) then it necessarily follows that technology is not the key determinant of safety level. Otherwise safety levels wouldn't be the same, but variable based upon level of technology/safety features in each unit.
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Well put Tony. I can't really argue with that.... I guess what it comes down to is I think, or hope, rather, that it could tilt the scales.

It is a neat little unit and I think less experienced divers will be able to enjoy it safely. I guess time will tell!






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Michael Thornton said:
So far I just find it interesting that no one has said what they don't like about the explorer except that they think it has too much technology and that it is SCR. I was expecting to hear complaints of difficulty to use, WOB etc etc.
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Who is going to have any opinions on it other than those already in the game?

From a cursory reading of the thread the main thing seems to be most people don't really get it. Most new UK divers seem to spend about £1200-1500 on their equipment set-up and change it throughout the years to get more "ability" (deeper, longer, handling deco, cave diving, etc). What does the Explorer give you? Less bubbles for a hell of a lot of expense? There's probably a good cadre of people that will see it as ownership of a status symbol but they are beyond the pale of any discussion. But in "real" terms, what are you buying other than a lot of additional hassle.

As Ben says, OC just works. No matter how sophisticated and "safe" rebreathers become, it's going to be the equivalent of a Swiss watch inside the shell. OC is the equivalent of a sundial. There is no equivalency to be had. They might do the same thing but they aren't the same thing. And until someone develops a better O2 monitoring system than galvanic cells you've got the best units available being driven by magic pebbles.

Maybe people are just concerned there is a shortfall between reality and the sales brochure.
 
In one of the videos that were shown one of the divers was put in deco by the explorer it turned out to be some glitch or something but, it brings a question to my mind how does the explorer handle (accidental) deco?
 
MichaelS. said:
In one of the videos that were shown one of the divers was put in deco by the explorer it turned out to be some glitch or something but, it brings a question to my mind how does the explorer handle (accidental) deco?
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It handles deco without a problem. It prefers you don't go into deco, but of you do, it tells you wat stops to do as any other simple dive computer. It's not intended for doing deco, so there aren't a lot of things you can adjust as far as deco is concerned. E.g. No GF factors or BO mixes.
 
Thank you for your reply, my biggest concern was it going to throw a fit and ask you to return it to Hollis for some repair(fee). I did not have intention of any deco diving with this unit, just what kind of limit(line crossed)did the nannies have. But again thank you your and the others reply!
 
I put it into deco and was surprised at how well it handled it! I do know there have been some firmware updates, but I don't know what was updated.


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Like maybe they were thinking along the lines of the first battery upgrade on the mark 6 rec depth with deco, at some point? Or just haven't hammered out the vrx software for explorer yet deco?
 
MichaelS. said:
In one of the videos that were shown one of the divers was put in deco by the explorer it turned out to be some glitch or something but, it brings a question to my mind how does the explorer handle (accidental) deco?
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No glitch on the explorer in the video, the DCP was run at 10% and it showed deco like any other dive computer, the video was us goofing around and making fun of the ONE minute of deco as if it were a scary thing. The computer works like any OW OC Nitrox computer. The Explorers computer has a novel approach of showing the most time constraining variable on the largest Numbers so that it is evident what will run out first- NDL-Scrubber duration-HP gas- etc.
 
Ok thanks for the details! One more question what brand of CO2 cartridge will be used and is iandt going to be the only agency to teach the self packing scrubber?
 
Not sure on the cartridges. This is a PADI requirement. The scrubber is super easy to pack. When I took my course last month they still had not finished the prepacked.
 
How is trim? Similar to Dolphin, means loads of lead on top of the unit or in/at harness?
Also WOB similar to Dolphin? Or better?

When unit available in europe I will consider a try dive...
 
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