First Impressions of the Explorer
- Thread starter CCR Josh
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why?
There are no plans I know of to support FFM's with this unit.
CCR Josh
"Rebreather Enthusiast"
Remember, this is not JUST a SCR - it is an eSCR. So there is not a constant flow of nitrox into the loop, it is controlled by the DCP (a funky algorithm based off the PO2).
Due to the way this unit works, in order for any external computer to be ever remotely accurate, it would need to be reading a cell.
Michael Thornton
Rebreather Enthusiast
The backup computer would also have to have the same algorithm. I don't think it is worth it. If the main computer goes out the only option is to bail out. There is not way to run it manually. The only computer I could ever see that would help is one in gauge mode with a backup spg. So you know where to do a deco stop and if you have enough gas for it.
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MeRodent
New Member
I may be wrong (if so correct me) but the idea of electronically controlling the Nitrox is to optimise the PO2 for the relevant depth (at least that's how I'd do it). If this is the case a deco computer set to automatically set the PO2 based on depth should be able to reasonably predict what the explorer is doing (maybe with some conservatism built in).
I am thinking with a REC mind not TEC think on vacation 2days into 1week dive when it goes bzzt now you have 2 days worth of saturation with no way to continue other than tables and a guess at your loading. I was looking for some computer that can get close so if the explorer goes tits up I can continue to dive OC with just a little fuss.
Michael Thornton
Rebreather Enthusiast
You would also be surprised at how much you have off-gassed overnight just by waiting till the next day.
Michael Thornton
Rebreather Enthusiast
It is hard to say without knowing the actual depths and times. This is why they say to wait over a day just in case. Same thing with flying.
But you can figure it out more precisely using a planning software. I am not telling you to not wait a full day I am just saying if that is a concern of yours plan it out and see what the real numbers are. It might not be of such concern to you then or maybe it will be. It depends.
Most of these new generation "rec" rebreathers are heavily computer dependent. These machines aren't designed for redundancy or any kind of backup system. It's just the nature of the beast
Interesting that V-Planner generally let's you do the same dive three hours later in many cases....
I wonder if after a while diving the Explorer if you'd get a feel for for what the mix is and be OK matching a stand alone nitrox computer?
We've done the whole dive logging a'la BSAC way and dropped people onto tables midway through a series of dive when the computer craps out, but also dived a computer set to air when diving nitrox to try and catch up with a hardwired computer. It's only deco "theory" after all
Michael Thornton
Rebreather Enthusiast
Except did any agency teach it as a recreational rebreather? Meaning less prerequisites or a simplified course?
It may be a recreational rebreather I just don't think it was accepted like that by the community.
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Well I just had my first day of training with the explorer and all I can say holy spastic elevator batman! Second dive was much better got some weight out and found some miss adjusted stuff to make the third dive even better. Of all the years I have lurked in the rebreather forums makes me now wished I had just gone an dove one instead of wishing. Thanks for all the info guys it really helped out!!