X-CCR Questions

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Yamahadrummer

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Greetings,
Can anyone provide feedback on the iQsub X-CCR rebreather?
I'd welcome critical analysis of its components, configuration, and ratings, as well as reports of personal experience diving the unit.
Information on its CO2 sensor/function would be particularly welcomed too! :-)

LINK

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LINK 3

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[video=vimeo;108136601]https://vimeo.com/108136601[/video]

Thank you for your consideration!
 
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I would be happy to give you feedback on the X-CCR, however you probably would like a little more unbiased feedback! :) It has just started shipping to the USA this week as a matter of fact. I'm in Cave Country for the next 30 days if you want to come a take a peek! :)
 
Thanks Randy!
At this stage, any feedback would be welcome, especially about the Co2 sensor. :big:
Additionally, I'd appreciate hearing what particular features were upgraded/added to make it better suited for "X"(treme) use.
A detailed video of its teardown/re-assembly, and handset features, would be great too! :clap:
Will you be its sole US distributor?

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I'm very new to rebreathers but I can give you my opinion for what its worth.
I had a go on an inspo, JJ, and liberty before trying the X CCR and deciding on going for it.

It had all the features I was looking for and having now done my course and dived it for a week it was very easy to live with!

At the end of the days diving just pop the head off and remove the cell cartridge to take back to the room to dry, pop one hose off the BOV and drain hoses and CL from dump valve, all took about 3 mins total. 6 hour scrubber so only filled it three times over the week and did just over 14 hours.

The CO2 sensor was quite sensitive and can pick up moisture from the first dive during the second dive on some occasions, this makes the reading about 0.1% as opposed to 0.0% on the first dive. 1.6% is the error level however so nowhere near this. I have tested the sensor by pre breathing the unit with no sofnolime in and it hits error level very quickly. On the main dive screen it just gives you a CO2 OK message but the second screen gives you the actual reading. Obviously because of where the sensor is it is looking for breakthrough CO2 and isn't an end tidal reading.

The handset is a joy to use, very easy to read and if everything is ok it's colour is green, if any value reaches a warning level it goes orange and if it reaches and error level it goes red so easy to spot when something is going wrong.

Not sure what else I can add but if you have any specific questions I might be able to help with let me know.

Cheers
Rob
 
I dont want to put any RB down but i find all these new machines have more and more electronics , the new ccr divers seem to be pulled in by all the bells and whisles , are we not going the Boris way,great scrubber ,great when it works but when it starts to go wrong what a piece of sh..t.
 
Yamahadrummer said:
Thanks Randy!
At this stage, any feedback would be welcome, especially about the Co2 sensor. :big:
Additionally, I'd appreciate hearing what particular features were upgraded/added to make it better suited for "X"(treme) use.
A detailed video of its teardown/re-assembly, and handset features, would be great too! :clap:
Will you be its sole US distributor?
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Hi Yamaha Drummer,

Yes, SubGravity is the exclusive world wide distributor with the exception of Europe, where we share distribution with iQsub.

We are working on a detailed website which will offer a lot of details including a tear down and lots of videos. Stay tuned for an announcement when it is ready.

Suffice it to say that the unit is superb. All of the robustness of the HammerHead CCR with a modern electronics package that is really a game changer. The CO2 monitor is great. If however you don't wish to have it active, you can easily turn it off in the menu.

Tank pressure reading in the handset, so no dangling SPGs. CO2 sensor. Bright color OLED screen. Piezo switches on the sides instead of the the face of the handset to make it easier to access even with heavy gloves. Dual redundant removable 18650 rechargeable lithium batteries. 8 lb. radial scrubber. All cables are removable via stainless steel, water blocked connectors that are rated for 5000+ connections. All electronics are in the head (not the loop) and are controlled by the handset. Even if the handset is damaged, the head will continue to fly the X-CCR at the last known set point up to the surface. Built in digital compass on the main screen. Stack/Scrubber alarm. O2 sensor alarm when they need to be replaced. (calendar counts down from the day they are installed) Trims perfectly right out of the box! Built like a tank! Expedition grade construction. Software is updatable via usb connection. Designed, built, distributed and sold by technical divers who dive their own product! :)

Please let me know if we can answer any other questions!

Warm regards,
Randy
 
Hi Randy

Quick question, does it have a Temp stick equivalent and does it have an option for a head up display similar to a Nerd?

Many thanks
Larry


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Randy, somewhat related to this as I am quite interested in it, but it would be great if you guys could take some time and give some in depth reviews of the products you are importing. You have the real short clips of things on the DPV's and the H3, but no real in depth, this is why you should buy this, and since you're using the stock descriptions from the MFG websites, it becomes something that you have to get down to cave country and try to demo from one of your partners.
 
Larry7895 said:
Hi Randy

Quick question, does it have a Temp stick equivalent and does it have an option for a head up display similar to a Nerd?

Many thanks
Larry


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It does not have a temp stick. What it has is a timer showing elapsed scrubber time which counts down from the max scrubber duration and then gives a warning when you have 10% and 5% time left. On a 360 min scrubber this equates to a warning with 36 and 15 minutes left.

It also has a CO2 sensor.

A HUD is supplied as standard but you can put a NERD on the secondary display.

I have been diving the XCCR almost exclusively since the start of November and have tried to break it in as many ways as possible. I have just taught my first factory approved course and so would be happy to answer any questions.
 
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dspe said:
I dont want to put any RB down but i find all these new machines have more and more electronics , the new ccr divers seem to be pulled in by all the bells and whisles , are we not going the Boris way,great scrubber ,great when it works but when it starts to go wrong what a piece of sh..t.
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One thing I really like about the XCCR is that it will not lock you out, unless the electronics head is completely flooded. It will give you a warning but the decision to dive is yours.

The design philosophy was that if you are at the back of a cave and a fault develops you should be able to control the unit manually rather than having it lock you out.
 
Mark Powell said:
One thing I really like about the XCCR is that it will not lock you out, unless the electronics head is completely flooded. It will give you a warning but the decision to dive is yours.

The design philosophy was that if you are at the back of a cave and a fault develops you should be able to control the unit manually rather than having it lock you out.
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Hello Mark

Is it an heavy unit (ready to dive ,how many kg )?

Any plan for the CE approval for Europe or target date ?

What is the price of the unit with full options ?

Thanks
 
tarpio said:
Hello Mark

Is it an heavy unit (ready to dive ,how many kg )?

Any plan for the CE approval for Europe or target date ?

What is the price of the unit with full options ?

Thanks
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I will check on the exact weight in the morning but no it's not a heavy unit.

CE testing is ongoing. I know that the unit was designed with CE testing in mind rather than as an add on so there should be no problem. In addition I am on the UK committee that provided input to the new CE standard so I know EN14143 pretty well and there is nothing I'm aware of that is going to cause a problem. Further, there is no way I would have gotten involved if I didn;t think it would get CE as that is a must in the UK. Obviously X-CCR can't provide any concrete promises but i think late spring/early summer is realistic based on progress so far.

Full price including primary handset, OSTC backup handset, HUD, BOV, CO2 monitor, radial scrubber, cylinders, wings, etc. is around £7300 which compares very well with a JJ or Inpso when you consider that includes a backup OSTC, BOV and CO2 monitor. Of course this is pre CE price.
 
tbone1004 said:
Randy, somewhat related to this as I am quite interested in it, but it would be great if you guys could take some time and give some in depth reviews of the products you are importing. You have the real short clips of things on the DPV's and the H3, but no real in depth, this is why you should buy this, and since you're using the stock descriptions from the MFG websites, it becomes something that you have to get down to cave country and try to demo from one of your partners.
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Hi Tbone,

We are working on a website that will be fully interactive as well as contain lots of videos. We hope to have it up and running in the next couple of weeks. We will start populating videos on the website as well as Facebook and here on CCRX as soon as they are available. We will be doing try dives at various locations around the world, including cave country. I am in Cave Country for the next 30 days. If you are interested in seeing the unit up close and personal, send me a PM here on CCRX and we can set something up. I've got an X-CCR as well as a Defender CCR with me.
 
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Randy Thornton said:
Hi Tbone,

We are working on a website that will be fully interactive as well as contain lots of videos. We hope to have it up and running in the next couple of weeks. We will start populating videos on the website as well as Facebook and here on CCRX as soon as they are available. We will be doing try dives at various locations around the world, including cave country. I am in Cave Country for the next 30 days. If you are interested in seeing the unit up close and personal, send me a PM here on CCRX and we can set something up. I've got an X-CCR as well as a Defender CCR with me.
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Hello Randy

Do you think the Defender CCR from Subgravity will be available in Europe with CE as well ?
 
Hello Matt
What about the batteries , do they power the unit control and primary handset ? Where are they located ?
What is the size of the hanset ?
What is the volume of counterlungs ? (3 ltr | 4 liters)
Does the XCCR use a bus network system to allow independent devices to communicate and interact with each other ?

Thanks
 
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Hi tarpio,
You can see the 2 battery compartments (each labeled, and their caps) in this pic:

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And the iQSub website says there are: Two independent replaceable Li-Ion batteries 18650 located in the sealed compartments on the head out of the breathing loop...

It is suggested that these batteries power the handsets as only "displays," according to the article at LINK 3.

The unit's standard Secondary handset is the Heinrich Weikamp OSTC cR

Its dimensions are: 80 mm x 68 mm x 34 mm

Their owner's manual says: The integrated lithium ion battery (Saft LS14500) offers 60 hours of diving in eco mode. It takes five hours to recharge it completely. You can recharge it via USB-connection with your personal computer or any USB wall-charger.
 

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