What's going on here? IS this a mistake or Dirty Pool?????

So now the Euro is 1.10 USD............

so customers are getting gouged even more!!!!!!

Go team!!!
 
I tried to get a price estimate with no luck with curt :(
Was told to wait till I'm ready to buy. That doesn't help with budgeting.
 
So here's the MSRP (price that includes dealer mark up) from the JJ website in Euro:

JJ-CCR DiveCAN rebreather international edition:
- dive surface valve (DSV)
- axial scrubber with filter scrim kit
- 22.5kg wing, backplate and adjustable harness
- 2 x 3 liter tank with valves (oxygen and diluent = 5/8***8221;), 2 x first stage, 2 x cam band
- 2 x submersible pressure gauge with 100cm hose
- JJ-CCR DiveCAN controller (multi gas and multi mode decompression computer) and DiveCAN HUD - 4 x battery and 3 x O2 cell
- miflex hoses (LP connections only)
6978.00
JJ-CCR DiveCAN rebreather international light edition:
- same configuration as international editon, but without the 2 x 3 liter tank with valve
6778.00
Diluent & Inline Add-On:
A diluent adding valve and inline shut-off valve will be added to the JJ-CCR rebreather. This add-on is only available when ordered together with the rebreather! To upgrade existing units, please refer to ***8221;Options and Accessories***8221;.
212.00

At today's exchange rate the MSRP's are as follows:

1) 7632 USD for the complete unit including tanks, ready to dive.

2) 7414 USD for the light unit

Add 400 for shipping and the import broker fee and thats it.........(and 400 is very high for these feee's)

I know the the instructors and dealers aren't cashing in on this.
 
I just love insomnia. But for some unknown reason, this thread didn't put me to sleep! Can't think why, it is so boring... wait! I know. I was laughing too much.

Seriously? 21 pages of pure and utter drivel. Drivel because someone got their knickers in a knot over a price. For recreational toys. REALLY?

The price is the price is the price. If you don't like it, buy something else. Go somewhere else. But don't carp on like a infant and try to lecture on economics at the same time.

In my professional work, my main tool of trade has a ticket price in the 10 000 euro mark and is made in a small studio in Bremen. The industry standard, made in Elkhart Indiana is about US$2500. After using my current equipment, I wouldn't buy the US one for love or money, even if it is cheaper. Well, maybe if an employer made it a condition of employment... But, the price is the price and it is an acknowledged truth that we will pay the price to get the equipment we want. If we don't, we are fools.

You guys need to deal with it and move on. Dive a POS unit and enjoy your monetary savings, boasting all about it at the pub post dive. Win win for all, as far as I can see!

cheers

Andy
 
Because thats what the internet and forums are for. To express your opinion. Bitch. And draw attention to issues. I would bet Jon has not a single POS unit in his line up and would probably own a JJ as well if he didnt feel like the US market was being manipulated. Maybe you dive a JJ and everything else is a POS to you. In your industry you may be limited to 1 high end option. Not the case with CCRs. Just because hes not buying one, or maybe is, doesnt strip him of his rights to his opinions or to share those with others. I actually think the thread is interesting and shows what can happen when manufacturers dont keep their pricing consistent in regional markets. Imagine if everything we purchased was like that. Like would you drop $10k on a DPV that you know sells for $7k to the rest of the world? I think there is a whole lot more to a price than a price is a price is a price. Im not into kit I cant have, ahole business practices, or discriminatory pricing. Thats why I gave up on AB, wouldnt touch anything by Alex and Brads aFoc OSEL pr nightmare even if took me to 200m for an hour with no deco while giving me a life changing bj (thats how much those guys have disgusted me) or buy a JJ. Doesnt mean I wont voice those concerns when the issue arises. Welcome to online forums!
 
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I think the more appropriate question to ask Andy is if that quality tool of his trade that is made in Bremen costs him 10000 Euro but is available to someone in Thailand for the equivalent of only 8000 Euro, how would he feel? Same exact machine, same manufacturer. But you are prohibited from buying it from the Thai importer. You are only allowed to buy it from the sole importer in your country and he charges 2000 Euro more than any other importer. That is the analogy.

I have come to terms with the situation. Curt is entitled to charge whatever fee the market will bear. It will all work out in the end in a free market system. But it could be costing sales in the interim.


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kwinter said:
I think the more appropriate question to ask Andy is if that quality tool of his trade that is made in Bremen costs him 10000 Euro but is available to someone in Thailand for the equivalent of only 8000 Euro, how would he feel?
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Given he's from Australia and being screwed like that is par for the course (it's even called "the Australia tax") I'd say he'd consider it business as usual.

It seems that it's only a problem when it happens to someone in "the land of the free".


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MeRodent said:
Given he's from Australia and being screwed like that is par for the course (it's even called "the Australa tax") I'd say he'd consider it business as usual.

It seems that it's only a problem when it happens to someone in "the land of the free".


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Free to bitch and moan or free to charge whatever the market will bear? ;)
 
JONT said:
Add 400 for shipping and the import broker fee and thats it.........(and 400 is very high for these feee's)
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Sorry what.... $400 to ship and import from Europe to US a huge, heavy rebreather? That's a f*cking steal, to do the reverse from Europe we would pay at least £500!

Nice to see Yanks moaning for a change. When Europeans want American products, price here is double the $ figure then converted to £ or Euro, we get screwed badly, so using the same meta your JJ should be $18000+, be grateful you get such a soft deal.
 
Wouldn't it be better to take the course in Europe, have the Liberty delivered to your instructor's shop so you can use it for the course. Pay for the rebreather and get the bill including sales tax. Now when you exit Europe present the papers and rebreather to customs in the country that you are exiting. Customs will verify that the RB has been exported from the european common market and give you paperwork in order to get the sales tax (value added tax) that you paid refunded. It'll take a couple of weeks to get the sales tax money back but you should be able to save enough to pay for your european vacation.
When enterig the US you should declare your RB as used sporting goods which is (as far as I rembember) customs duty free and no state sales tax..

Michael

Sure whoever does the maintainance on you RB in the USA will end up charging you for parts and labor since they didn't make any money selling you the RB, but the $1500-2000 that you saved will pay for a lot of work.
 
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And there you go. Yep. We find that the price for gear here is way more expensive than the home market. As hinted, it's business as usual for us Aussies. Either that, you simply don't buy form the apple store, iTunes, google, US made musical instruments, foreign cars, etc. etc.

Howe do I feel? I could feel bummed. I could whinge and whine endlessly, and bark on about how unjust it is. Or I could just decide if I want to buy locally, or do my own importing, traveling internationally to get one, or just forget the whole thing. From the age of 18 I have been importing musical instruments and equipment rather than pay double or triple prices. These days, it's usually only a 20-30% premium we get slugged with. The last ex. purchase I made was 'imported' by a third party, and I flew interstate to pick it up. Pretty easy, saved a bomb.

In the 30 odd years I've been importing things, I have been open and honest with stores about what I do. They couldn't care less, so banging on wouldn't help. Similar, it seems to the 22 pages of whining going on here...

cheers

Andy

kwinter said:
I think the more appropriate question to ask Andy is if that quality tool of his trade that is made in Bremen costs him 10000 Euro but is available to someone in Thailand for the equivalent of only 8000 Euro, how would he feel? Same exact machine, same manufacturer. But you are prohibited from buying it from the Thai importer. You are only allowed to buy it from the sole importer in your country and he charges 2000 Euro more than any other importer. That is the analogy.

I have come to terms with the situation. Curt is entitled to charge whatever fee the market will bear. It will all work out in the end in a free market system. But it could be costing sales in the interim.


iPhone. iTypo. iApologize.
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Ben Field said:
Sorry what.... $400 to ship and import from Europe to US a huge, heavy rebreather? That's a f*cking steal, to do the reverse from Europe we would pay at least £500!

Nice to see Yanks moaning for a change. When Europeans want American products, price here is double the $ figure then converted to £ or Euro, we get screwed badly, so using the same meta your JJ should be $18000+, be grateful you get such a soft deal.
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Ben:

The cost to crate, ship and pay the import tax for the last 2 of the 5 REVO's I've bought was about 325 each and some of that went to REVO for the packaging costs.
 
I'm hesitant to post on this thread because the title and OP clearly came to the board first to bitch and slander, before making any effort to talk to the US distributor. It's like going onto Yelp to piss and moan and slander a pizza place because Google had the hours wrong and I didn't get to eat pizza from this place right now :( Ok, not really but poor form anyway.

I recently bought a new rEvoX because I too wanted new electronics: DiveCAN NERD rMS plus the whole USD/EUR benefit for me was a great excuse to blow $10,000 for a shiny new object I didn't need. I talked to Paul who would have sold me one direct at retail price in Euro but said that I would get the same price from Curt. Since Curt lives nearby and is my friend I went through Curt. Curt was very transparent, I got two invoices in Euro: one for the full retail price and I also got a copy of the invoice between rEvo and Curt. I paid in Euro which included ***8364;200 shipping and I owed $60 US for US duty. Suffice it to say that rEvo gives Curt a great wholesale price and I got a "good customer, small discount."

So, whatever is going on with JJ and US sales has to do with JJ, not Curt. Maybe some of you talked to Curt or Jan but it seems like for a few of you it was easier to get on the board and carry on like a child and slander so you could feel better in the moment. Different prices for different markets are a totally normal thing for better or worse.

Has no one talked to JJ or has no response come from them? Is it just more satisfying to discredit with fiction? Look what happened with OEO and Santi? The US distributor got royally hosed when the mfg just went around them to partner with Halcyon. I'm surprised they still are in business.

I close with: I don't work for free. Do you?
 
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