Craig williams
New Member
New CCR diver (JJ) and I have just started trimix diving, I have put together a 1.5L suit Inflation system together and want to run the wing off the same cylinder. Has anyone got any photos of LPI hose routing?
Suit inflation system
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broncobowsher
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Don't do it that way. You loose redundant gas sources. You want separate gas sources for the suit and wing. If you have a problem with one you still have the other.
nickb
The JJ Kid
Very poor choice. Why would you even consider doing this?
Craig williams
New Member
Ok, why a poor choice?
I'm not losing any redundancy as I have LPI hose on bailout that can be used if I ran into an issue.
"Why would you consider this"
Firstly, why would I waste "good gas" into a wing when I have an option to use air. Secondly this gives me more dil gas to play with at sites where a refill is not an option!
markdol1
CCRX Supporter
Craig bailout gas is only for that wether it is you or a buddy who needs it usually at the worst time . you will be shocked how quickly an 80 cu can be used .up . Also if you do caves your depth can change using up a suit bottle. Like the guys said keep wing and suit separate in case of malfuction or gas loss of that small bottle. Good luck and be safe!
nickb
The JJ Kid
So, when you run into an issue that needs immediate attention, you'll have plenty of time to fuck about swapping hoses - assuming you can find them and that the problem you've run into still leaves you with both hands free.
Good luck with that.
If you're properly weighted when using a CCR, you need next to no gas in your wing to maintain neutral buoyancy. If you need to fully inflate your wing at the surface, you can always blow into the inflation hose if you don't want to waste a tiny amount of dil.
You've told us (OP) that you're a new CCR diver and are asking for photos, presumably from more experienced people, of how to rig the system you want to use. The lack of people rushing to share their experience should indicate that this is not something that many people do.
But sure, just carry-on replying with passive-aggression.
nickb
The JJ Kid
Just to drive this home a little further:
Last year we recovered the body of an experienced CCR diver. When his body was found, at 35m the day after he'd failed to surface, both his suit inflate and wing inflate hoses were disconnected and his bailout was depleted.
I have no idea what 'system' he was using to feed the inflation hoses and have no reason to believe that he didn't have a separate feed for each. I'm just pointing-out that trying to swap hoses around, once the shit has hit the fan is not as easy as you might think from the comfort of your keyboard.
Try asking your MOD1 instructor for the advice you're seeking. They're usually responsive to questions from their recent trainees.
Last year we recovered the body of an experienced CCR diver. When his body was found, at 35m the day after he'd failed to surface, both his suit inflate and wing inflate hoses were disconnected and his bailout was depleted.
I have no idea what 'system' he was using to feed the inflation hoses and have no reason to believe that he didn't have a separate feed for each. I'm just pointing-out that trying to swap hoses around, once the shit has hit the fan is not as easy as you might think from the comfort of your keyboard.
Try asking your MOD1 instructor for the advice you're seeking. They're usually responsive to questions from their recent trainees.
CCR configuration has evolved into a common configuration used by most rebreathers. There's a reason for that which quite often isn't obvious.
Very few divers connect a separate gas source to their wings. If they do so it's often for some very esoteric reason coming from their particular diving environments. Overhead/cave diving often requires special configurations. Open water diving doesn't.
It's probably a good idea to get your basic training and a good 100 hours of diving on the unit behind you before thinking of "improvements" to the basic configuration. You may find that things you consider to be an "issue" early on actually really aren't issues in the longer term.
Very few divers connect a separate gas source to their wings. If they do so it's often for some very esoteric reason coming from their particular diving environments. Overhead/cave diving often requires special configurations. Open water diving doesn't.
It's probably a good idea to get your basic training and a good 100 hours of diving on the unit behind you before thinking of "improvements" to the basic configuration. You may find that things you consider to be an "issue" early on actually really aren't issues in the longer term.
dwhitlow
Member
Wing and drysuit off the same bottle is a poor idea as there's a loss of redundancy. You might not notice this being a problem until the day something goes wrong.
As Nickb said, any reliance on changing things about during a dive doesn't necessarily work as well underwater as it did when you visualised the solution at home. Sometimes LP hoses just don't want to reconnect and need two hands. Try doing that mid-water, in a current, whilst holding onto your SMB. It's like those using the drysuit hose to send up an SMB and being unable to reconnect it during the ascent, and then dumping more gas than untended. I've seen that one a few times... and how I laughed!
If access to diluent refills before the dive is an issue then a spare bottle of gas and a decanting whip is a simpler option.
Perhaps if there's not adequate gas then the dive isn't a good idea?
As Nickb said, any reliance on changing things about during a dive doesn't necessarily work as well underwater as it did when you visualised the solution at home. Sometimes LP hoses just don't want to reconnect and need two hands. Try doing that mid-water, in a current, whilst holding onto your SMB. It's like those using the drysuit hose to send up an SMB and being unable to reconnect it during the ascent, and then dumping more gas than untended. I've seen that one a few times... and how I laughed!
If access to diluent refills before the dive is an issue then a spare bottle of gas and a decanting whip is a simpler option.
Perhaps if there's not adequate gas then the dive isn't a good idea?
I think you gurus need to remember you can put gas in a counter lung … I’d be happier splitting wing and counterlung than putting those two together…
but then I know it’s hard work to plug a hose back in when you’re hanging like Mary poppins on a bag.
Work on the basics would be my advice
but then I know it’s hard work to plug a hose back in when you’re hanging like Mary poppins on a bag.
Work on the basics would be my advice
nickb
The JJ Kid
Well done … just like drysuit. But both of them need gas inside to function and do have extra volume should you need.
but as per usual you miss the point jumping over yourself to tell me how superior you are to me
the point is which would you rather lose suit or counterlung. And I think we can agree the counterlung is more important … so why do you put wing and counter lung on same reg?
but as per usual you miss the point jumping over yourself to tell me how superior you are to me
the point is which would you rather lose suit or counterlung. And I think we can agree the counterlung is more important … so why do you put wing and counter lung on same reg?
nickb
The JJ Kid
I didn't miss the point. I just thought it was a crap one.
nickb
The JJ Kid
I guess that nobody has mentioned it because it's not the issue being discussed.
The OP wants to drive both his wing AND suit from his inflation cylinder, which I assume he'll fill with air as he doesn't want to spunk trimix dil filling his wing.
markdol1
CCRX Supporter
Hey nick, like the old saying you can lead a horse to water . People ask for an idea but dont want to listen but then they say they want to learn from diver mistakes reading obituaries. Darwin was right!