Industrial O2 to medical grade O2 ???

It might be worth chiming in that not all industrial oxygen is equal. I have one gas supplier on island that sells "pure" industrial oxygen that analyzes to 94%, consistently.

About the availability problem, what are other shops doing? Quietly switching to industrial and hoping nobody notices?

94% sounds like something made in-house with a membrane (argon usually being the balance). I'm sure its fine for home medical use, but that doesn't meet any CGA standard.

My "industrial" vacuumed once during refilling (medical and the UHP grades are vacuumed twice). Otherwise it analyzes out at 99-101%, my analyzer is too imprecise to find a contaminant. Been using it for myself and the occasional friend for almost 8 years.
 
It might be worth chiming in that not all industrial oxygen is equal. I have one gas supplier on island that sells "pure" industrial oxygen that analyzes to 94%, consistently.

About the availability problem, what are other shops doing? Quietly switching to industrial and hoping nobody notices?

Going by your previous posts, your island supplier obviously doesn't need to meet any standards so it's an outlier and not to be considered the norm. Industrial O2 and medical O2 in civilized countries are the same when analyzed. I have no problem using industrial O2 vs medical.
 
Sorry Baz. If the gas suppliers are going to stop shipping medical grade to a dive shop due to safety concerns how are you going to convince them to deliver what they consider non-breathable gas to the same location?
 
Hello Baz,

There is a solution no one has yet suggested, and that is to negotiate an arrangement to acquire medical oxygen through a hospital. There a three ways to approach it:
1. Any private hospital. They are run as a business and whether they can make money on over-charging for car parking or make some money flogging oxygen, one or more should be interested. Only problem would be how much they will want to charge and whether it will be economic for you.
2. Major Public Hospital. Government funding is always tight, so they can do with some extra cash. Only problem is they may be a bit bureaucratic and inflexible. Best would be one with a hyperbaric chamber as they may some staff more sympathetic to your plight.
3. Approach a medical practitioner about the health risks of making divers use industrial gas for diving as suppliers have stopped supply of medical grade. Get a referral to hospital facility as a preventative measure to avoid health risks from exposure to industrial oxygen. With a certificate, hospital should only charge cost of providing oxygen. Problem is they may only give you a C cylinder and ask you to come back when its empty.

You may think the above suggestions silly, but where practical, medical practitioners do have a responsibility to help prevent an illness rather than just fix someone after a problem arises. So hospital medical staff should be supportive of a hospital facilitating access to oxygen rather than forcing diving addicts to source potentially unsafe oxygen supplies. Much like the safe-injecting rooms harm-minimizing strategies for another class of addicts.

Regards,
Tony
 
Good ideas although most hospitals around here have giant cryogenic tanks and limited ways of providing that low pressure gas off-site.

Along the cryogenic lines though, is liquid O2 even graded as "medical" or "industrial"?
 
Good ideas although most hospitals around here have giant cryogenic tanks and limited ways of providing that low pressure gas off-site.

Along the cryogenic lines though, is liquid O2 even graded as "medical" or "industrial"?

Our bulk Oxygen certs have a statement that references it to meeting USP specs. I would imagine it is common. In some cases, minimal testing needs to be done to the high pressure batch if the bulk liquid oxygen that it is being pumped from meets the specification.
 
This is very bad news. There is no chance hospitals will sell to Baz or anyone else for that matter, especially seeing as a baby was recently fatally injured and another brain damaged because of receiving NOX instead of O2. It would not surprise me if the same gas company that allegedly installed those lines incorrectly is also the one suddenly developing a lower risk appetite by refusing to sell to dive shops. I think there are about three shops in Sydney that sell oxygen to divers so I cannot imagine most of the solutions here being feasible. Might be time to pack 'er up and head to cave country.
 
Have you approached any commercial diving companies to see if they would be willing to help you out?

if all else fails am I right in thinking sydney has a harbour? Can you not stick a quad on a ship heading your way or is the import duty exorbitant?
 
This is very bad news. There is no chance hospitals will sell to Baz or anyone else for that matter, especially seeing as a baby was recently fatally injured and another brain damaged because of receiving NOX instead of O2. It would not surprise me if the same gas company that allegedly installed those lines incorrectly is also the one suddenly developing a lower risk appetite by refusing to sell to dive shops..

You are conflating two quite separate issues, but I think your intuition on why a gas supply company has become more risk averse is spot on.

As for accessing medical oxygen, C size cylinders will continue to be available due to their widespread use in non-diving applications e.g first aid, portable supplementary oxygen supply for elderly and health impaired. One elderly person in my street gets his change-over bottle home delivered.

Might cause a little inconvenience in gas logistics for CCR, but should be quite practical given relatively low gas consumption. It is the OC divers who will be stuffed.

Look on the potential bright side for Baz's revenue, could encourage more OC divers to move to CCR More shiny kit to sell and courses to run.

Regards,
Tony
 
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