Its smaller than an rb80, but not by much. Dan have you weighed your unit?
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Its smaller than an rb80, but not by much. Dan have you weighed your unit?
scubainchicago
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Way smaller than the RB80, bwahahaha...
I haven't, but it's about the weight of a set of AL 80's I would guess. The can is Aluminum and weights next to nothing. Sorb is probably the heaviest part, after the tanks.
Well you could put lil 50s on an RB80, just don't think anyone does.
It does seem rather odd that for decade+ GUE has ben actively discouraging people from going to the RB80, yet now there are like 50(?) GUE JJ-CCR divers out there in about a year. Curious if Richard L wants to comment on the change of heart?
PeterN
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Still heavier than than most rigs. Unless they have another tank, they would not seem to have a truly redundant BO.
Just like the rb80 if loaded with the wrong gas and plans change you are stuck with an inappropriate BO gas.
It is more complex than most rigs.
I can't be nice to swim with. I bolted on my lp 45's to my rig but only staggered around in my basement before rejecting the notion.
I find myself wanting to be in small places from time to time. This rig would not help!
And there it is. This rig was designed for a certain type of diving. Much like all the GUE inspired rigs it willmperform well for what it is designed for, but it seems to me to be less versatile than a more or less standard rig. Also needlessly more complex with only down sides to that complexity.
I too am able to switch regs underwater with no big effort, but I veiw BO events differently than a simple gas switch. By definition something has gone very wrong with the loop so there is no "swimming along using the rig as an O2 rig in the shallows". If you have bailed, you are by definition off the loop. Bailing out is not generally planned and I can see the incedent tree of multiple failures rearing it's ugly head and am unconvinced that having your go to reg un breathable is optimum planning.
If the main point of having those big tanks is to provide for a ready supply of BO then upon reflection it seems to be optimized for either shallow diving or deep diving, but not the getting from one to the other.
Thanks for taking the time to share all of this on here. Very thought provoking and informative. I look forward to future updates.
Safe diving,
Peter
Like for like - it is much easier to swim and scooter this rig than with 3s and and 11 as stage rigged bailout .
As for size its 50mm wider than the JJ with 3s on side and the piggy backed 02 adds 20mm to profile (I have some of the 2s and then it doesn't add anything over the side of the cannister.
Each to there own but in a pinch I could use 10/70 at 2-30m yet its fully rigged for 100m - All I need to vary is what else to bring. But plans don't change that radically in my experience in UK where we enjoy very variable diving conditions either is 60-75 offshore or 50 in shore or cancelled.
Mark Chase
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Sorry o have dived both and with two 7s on my back it realy spoiles a well balanced unit
I can dive with two 7s on the JJ but its defo not as comfortable or easy as two 3s
ATB
Mark
How is it unbalanced with the 7s? Too heavy overall? Too head or tail heavy? Other?
At one point I debated putting 2x lp45s on my Meg (I already have the 45s) but the cost of the lola valves, manifold, and frame to just try it out put me off. I don't know the metric size of the 45s, perhaps 6.3L or so, they are just a little shorter than the lp50s/7Ls. Think they'd be "unbalanced" as well?
gaucho
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Can anyone share some pics of the setup. I have a similar setup with AL40s, Lola Valves, the 300bar manifold and a longhose setup coming from the right hand post. Anyhow, I would be interested in seeing more of the setup and get some ideas for my own setup. Are the 50s they are using AL or Steel? It would seem steels would be the obvious choice. Together with a drysuit of course. Where are the SPGs going for example. I have tried placing them on the usual d-ring on the hip, but they are not very comfortable since the O2 one comes from behind the unit, not from above, so the hose routing aint the best. I ended up putting the spg hoses on my top right d-ring.
Again, stealing some ideas from people who might be smarter than me would be great.
Again, stealing some ideas from people who might be smarter than me would be great.
PeterN
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I just weighed a set Faber lp 45's and a set of Worthington 19's. The 45's would seem to be the same dia as the Faber 50's but just a little shorter.
Both tanks were full and weighed on a crappy bathroom scale. The 45 was 23.4 lb. The 19 was 14.6 lb. that 17.6 lb difference is weight transferred out from your centroid to as far away from you as is possible.
I once rented 3 litre Al tanks. I was amassed at how crappy the made my rig dive. A GUE jj diver diving my rig would feel like they were driving a sports car compaired to driving a truck.
FYI the 45's are 14cm by 59cm. The 19's are 11cm by just under 42cm.
Peter
Both tanks were full and weighed on a crappy bathroom scale. The 45 was 23.4 lb. The 19 was 14.6 lb. that 17.6 lb difference is weight transferred out from your centroid to as far away from you as is possible.
I once rented 3 litre Al tanks. I was amassed at how crappy the made my rig dive. A GUE jj diver diving my rig would feel like they were driving a sports car compaired to driving a truck.
FYI the 45's are 14cm by 59cm. The 19's are 11cm by just under 42cm.
Peter
scubainchicago
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Ok, 17.6 Lbs, but don't forget you're loosing an AL80 BO bottle. What does that weigh full, how does that affect streamlining, maybe not having that AL80 would make the GUE diver fell like they're driving the sports car?
Just say'in.
Just say'in.
PeterN
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No your not. Not if you are diving to any depth. Not if you are subject to a change of plans and are now diving shallow with that she'd load of hypoxic gas on board.
Want to try the fast lane? Get some dirt bag cave diver to show you how to properly side mount. Instead of your stages in the quick draw McGraw hang em low on the side set up, try tucking them in some time. You would be amazed at how much more streamlined you would be.
Just Say'in. ;-)
Peter
Mr fish
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LOL
Ccr are all dumper trucks once your in to depth , unless your going alpine, A pissy low dill and your looking at two deco cylinders min . and prob 3
i run 2 3l inboard and two off board , that runs the unit , than i add ON what i need for bail out , no need for o2 cylinder as iv 6l on the unit ,
my in board and off board are picked to keep me on the loop and also 3 of them are good for oc in shallow water ,
so what iv got on the unit is much the same as you guys but im looking to do something other than bail out with it ,
I feel your taking the team thing some place its not needed with the big back gas thing . and maybe missing out on some usfull things a breather can do given the right drive / bail out gas .
id much rather have 2 LOTS of o2 at 100m than two 7l of a low dill ,
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Because the O2 is sooooo much a better gas to be on at 100m than the low dil.
Mr fish
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No, not really. He is saying that if you have to bailout the O2 is useless till you get to 6m. I suspect there are many more cases of having to bailout than having a problem wiht O2.
I choose to have more than enough bailout its a strategy - it doesn't make me an OC diver. I have been at 100m with a 5.5L of deep bailout, a buddy with 5.5L of intermediate bailout and drop bottles on the boat and convinced myself that was a good idea - it was in the 90s though ...
scubainchicago
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The D7's are just as easy to switch out if dive plans change. I'm sure you have more than one dil tank. 18/45 as a backup on a 120' dive isn't that big a deal.
Why not tuck them up right up against the cannister? Then instead of one streamlined space you've got two ...
Mr fish
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iv been to 96m on two 3l cylinders but that had nothing to do with this thread , and im saying i to have the gas to bail out but also other ways to make sure i can stay on the loop, and iv only a few things that will push me of the loop , your trying to catch all with the big bail out dill . i have plans to work round problems you may have to bail out from , and ill prob have a better gas choice. / deco wize .
i could say , half a cylinder of 10/70 is not much use at 6m its only good at depth , my few 100l of o2 , works at depth and at 6m also keep me on the breather longer / i can sort problems out with it , , not all but a few , and that could save me a few 1000l . oc gas more to play with ,
im saying iv got bail out , but its not top of my list at 100m thats all ,
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