Electronic vs manual CCR

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anarchista said:
To perform the same effort we need the same amount of oxygen (base Ke). What is a different volume at different depths.
There is no "hidden physics". The deeper the changes are smaller, due to wear the same mass of oxygen.
Yes, it is the effort to regulate his ability to identify, it is physiology.

greetings rc SCR SMS designer
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Eaxtly! I allways called bull when my instructor told me could do that below 80 m. Ther the chnage is one ninth of the surfacechange.

But dave has a pont from 30 ish meters and up, especially above 10m.

It is actually strangenthat noone brought up the important fact that rebrethers kill at the surface yet?

What ever you are diving, make sure you isolate diluent above 6 m. Tahtway no matter what you will get a physical feedback if you have ppo troubles, because you will not be able to breathe! Its like running out of air, but here you fell it, and it does not kill you silently.

I love my revo, but in this regard it is crap, thats why i have fitted my own block for this.
 
Janos said:
'm going to patent my Electrodes Attached to the Genitals Display. It's completely unignorable.
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It can not be patented, it is a well known method of interrogation. The invention is not new, not obvious. Regular use of existing solutions.
In addition, the solution has been disclosed before the notification, or prior to presentation at the exhibition of the appropriate status, then you can get the precedence of the exhibition.

rc greet
 
anarchista said:
It can not be patented, it is a well known method of interrogation. The invention is not new, not obvious. Regular use of existing solutions.
In addition, the solution has been disclosed before the notification, or prior to presentation at the exhibition of the appropriate status, then you can get the precedence of the exhibition.

rc greet
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RC, I believe it was a joke ;)
 
tecdiverdude said:
RC, I believe it was a joke ;)
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The entry in this form is the same joke as the entry Janos.
The entry is true, in the light of industrial property law.
I am Also act in the direction of improving security in the CCR, we can talk about after the application in Patent Office, by what means and what been achieved.
Eccr are at the beginning of their path of development, the future belongs to them.

rc greet
 
emmbee said:
Only one I've used is the SW on my JJ.

I think it's great, but, if not focusing on the hud, I'm not yet entirely sure I'll necessarily perceive an out-of-sync extra flash on just one led or just a dimmer last flash - which may not be as attention grabbing?

How do others perceive this?

I'm sure SW has tried, and this is the better option, but maybe having the led blink slower/faster as well, so you 'd get 3 flashes in the same time span as 2, would work too ? I'd assume it would be more difficult to count, tho...

Cheers,

Matthieu
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the shearwater hud works very well for me, once po2 is settled at my chosen point my mind just ignores the flashing sequence until it changes, the change being instantly noticed.
Not sure why this actually works but it does and very well.
another design of hud that just changes colour would not be noticed anywhere near as well, I had a green good red bad HUD that was virtually useless in practise
 
I've observed that with the meg HUD ( single LED, tri-color, sequencing ) I notice any change in the sequence immediately when I'm relaxed and going about a normal dive and not paying any particular attention to the HUD.

but

on the odd occasion I've been task focused I 'think' I have failed to notice a change on one occasion yet I 'think' I noticed immediately on another.

I'd rather believe that I won't always subconciously pick up on a change than rely on doing so!

I did notice a complete lack of flashing on one occasion immediately ( batt died ) ..... or did I ... did I notice because I consiously checked the LED??

( I regularly cross check the HUD ppo2 display against primary handset as a matter of course )
 
anarchista said:
Eccr are at the beginning of their path of development, the future belongs to them.
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ECCR's need only one thing- accurate and reliable oxygen sensors. Once those exist there is no need for all the extra crap they are currently laden with- when sensors that work exist ECCR developement will cease.

Thats not to say there isn't a future in nailing down WOB for a few units ;-)
 
Ben Field said:
ECCR's need only one thing- accurate and reliable oxygen sensors. Once those exist there is no need for all the extra crap they are currently laden with- when sensors that work exist ECCR developement will cease.

Thats not to say there isn't a future in nailing down WOB for a few units ;-)
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I disagree completely on cessation of development.

I know Pat reduces the work of breathing in a closed circuit, a few dozen pages, almost a doctorate.
It is long known solution, which also reduces the work of breathing effectively. Because it is a military European design civilians nothing do not know about it (did not want to talk about serious hardware, does not write to the solution) wery simply.
Measuring the oxygen content of the binary mixtures may arise now, a team of scientists from the University of Technology Wroclaw, 10 years ago was an interesting solution (CERN used to evaluate the helium leaks in the rooms are cheap). Based on the measurement of the speed of sound. Divesoft have applied this approach.
Manipulation of the composition of the respiratory factor is another opportunity to optimize decompression. If ppO2 is constant then why not change the ratio ppN2/ppHe for different ranges depth. It can be done.
Increasing the efficiency ..... Is from the collection of solutions which need to be built.
It's still fledgling technology.

rc greet
 
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tecdiverdude said:
RC, I believe it was a joke ;)
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Not a joke at all. RC is right in that the technique has been used for interrogations, but it's not been used as part of a rebreather to my knowledge, so I think the patent still applies.

My application specifies using crocodile clips (similar to those used in car jump leads) to connect the batteries to the genital area. However, I'm struggling to find a battery with a large enough capacity. My initial plan was to use EO connectors on my 12.4V torch battery, but initial (self-)trials have found the experience pleasurable rather than painful so I need to up the Voltage a bit.

Any ideas?

Janos
 
= Janos My initial plan was to use EO connectors on my 12.4V torch battery, but initial (self-)trials have found the experience pleasurable rather than painful so I need to up the Voltage a bit.

Any ideas?

Janos
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Your sick!:cuckoo:
 
Janos said:
Not a joke at all. RC is right in that the technique has been used for interrogations, but it's not been used as part of a rebreather to my knowledge, so I think the patent still applies.
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Any ideas?
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Revelation on the same issues in the public domain.
The only thing it does not revelation on the claims, they are sadly obvious.
Therefore, it is difficult to novelty. No features of non-obviousness.

The Russians did experiments on shock diver ranges are half those for the dry man.

The free jokes.
DC conversion the variables, passing through a transformer, you do not need high power.
Depending on the required performance or re-conversion to constant voltage or leaving variable. Adding time systems, one stimulus interval, several, continuous sharp "stimulating".

greet rc
 
My day job is climbing power poles and playing with live power lines... I'd prefer to keep my diving the break dancing free part of my life
 
anarchista said:
I disagree completely on cessation of development.
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Why? Everything needed is already in place, (except PPO2 monitoring) nothing "new" is required. Fledgling was in the 1930's.

As you go on to demonstrate below- we know how to reduce WOB (thats certainly no secret as you suggest!) Other gases can already be monitored and controlled, applying that to ECCR is largely pointless but can be done already if you have deep pockets... nothing you mention is "new" just "not yet applied" very different.

However- is any of this relavent to civilian recreational CCR usage? I would say largely NO,
Since you are so keen to protect secrets with patents clearly they are of no use to us humble civilians (despite many of us working for and designing military and commercial equipment) :-)

I would also dare suggest that military and commercial diving is no longer cutting edge- much better funded yes but the technology and equipment is only different not better, they handle the inadequacy of the current technology with money and people, something recreactional civilian users do not have. That is why (coming back OT) MCCR (IMVHO) plays its trump card, it delivers some of those backstops that mil and commercial users have though simplicity and required monitoring.

This conversation only becomes moot when ECCR can, on its own provide all the checks and support a surface team currently does in commercial circles, until then you have (however amazing the tech) a more dangerous overall "system"

I think you are confusing ideas with requirements- current market units exceed 99% of users capability, if they could be relied upon for PPO2 monitorig they would exceeed 100% of the user base. Fussing around the edges improving deco is gilding the lilly frankly, deco is sufficent at most depths, improving the efficency only benefits the 99+ percentile.

Even the military and commercial users do not have a need for the 10million $ per unit rebreather than could be built.... your only remaining customers are NASA, ESA etc so why flog that horse? :deadhorse


anarchista said:
I know Pat reduces the work of breathing in a closed circuit, a few dozen pages, almost a doctorate.
It is long known solution, which also reduces the work of breathing effectively. Because it is a military European design civilians nothing do not know about it (did not want to talk about serious hardware, does not write to the solution) wery simply.
Measuring the oxygen content of the binary mixtures may arise now, a team of scientists from the University of Technology Wroclaw, 10 years ago was an interesting solution (CERN used to evaluate the helium leaks in the rooms are cheap). Based on the measurement of the speed of sound. Divesoft have applied this approach.
Manipulation of the composition of the respiratory factor is another opportunity to optimize decompression. If ppO2 is constant then why not change the ratio ppN2/ppHe for different ranges depth. It can be done.
Increasing the efficiency ..... Is from the collection of solutions which need to be built.
It's still fledgling technology.

rc greet
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Janos said:
Not a joke at all. RC is right in that the technique has been used for interrogations, but it's not been used as part of a rebreather to my knowledge, so I think the patent still applies.

My application specifies using crocodile clips (similar to those used in car jump leads) to connect the batteries to the genital area. However, I'm struggling to find a battery with a large enough capacity. My initial plan was to use EO connectors on my 12.4V torch battery, but initial (self-)trials have found the experience pleasurable rather than painful so I need to up the Voltage a bit.

Any ideas?

Janos
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A connector between the ballast and the bulb? That should have a nice voltage for you...:clap:
 
Ben Field said:
Why? Everything needed is already in place, (except PPO2 monitoring) nothing "new" is required. Fledgling was in the 1930's.

As you go on to demonstrate below- we know how to reduce WOB (thats certainly no secret as you suggest!) Other gases can already be monitored and controlled, applying that to ECCR is largely pointless but can be done already if you have deep pockets... nothing you mention is "new" just "not yet applied" very different.

However- is any of this relavent to civilian recreational CCR usage? I would say largely NO,
Since you are so keen to protect secrets with patents clearly they are of no use to us humble civilians (despite many of us working for and designing military and commercial equipment) :-)

I would also dare suggest that military and commercial diving is no longer cutting edge- much better funded yes but the technology and equipment is only different not better, they handle the inadequacy of the current technology with money and people, something recreactional civilian users do not have. That is why (coming back OT) MCCR (IMVHO) plays its trump card, it delivers some of those backstops that mil and commercial users have though simplicity and required monitoring.

This conversation only becomes moot when ECCR can, on its own provide all the checks and support a surface team currently does in commercial circles, until then you have (however amazing the tech) a more dangerous overall "system"

I think you are confusing ideas with requirements- current market units exceed 99% of users capability, if they could be relied upon for PPO2 monitorig they would exceeed 100% of the user base. Fussing around the edges improving deco is gilding the lilly frankly, deco is sufficent at most depths, improving the efficency only benefits the 99+ percentile.

Even the military and commercial users do not have a need for the 10million $ per unit rebreather than could be built.... your only remaining customers are NASA, ESA etc so why flog that horse? :deadhorse
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Is the response time of the galvanic oxygen sensors is short enough?
Is the breathing mixture times homogenization are too long?
Are too long.
Even CMF dosage used is not stable, the needle valve is used that it is blind to the effort of the diver.
Where the benefits mCCR, vulgarity.

Patent protection is illusory protection for yourself, you can always do one piece. This is more in line as soon as possible in patent law.
You can always publish this piece as you did. You can not mass-produce in the country where the patent is filed.
The need for reporting is forced by industrial property rights, Aqua Lung has changed not talking about solutions that are not reported.
How to publish online, you can not report, each of which proves that it was known before the filing date, smashing your patent.

I spoke with a friend who participates in saturated diving in the Baltic. Dive on the OC, the cost of helium is nothing in the scale of the oil business.

Air misconceptions are a great lesson, in how not to design.

Are you using the brakes as Flinstone (aka cartoon) or hydraulic in the worst case, may however ABS. Development does not stop.

Wilamowski and Starnawski dive into the 300 + m, for them it is not something unnecessary. effective decompression ?

It can always arise a small company that does something interesting, pockets in the market. Entrenchment, will be a big competition for someone.
Then he'll be bought out by larger players, such as Gorski Hat and Apekks, were purchased.

rc greet
 
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SMS? Is that patent you keep linking to with laminar flow module and pure inert gas?

I think one of those could be fun to build.
 
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