Buy a rebreather for as little as $90 per month!

[Garth]

Mr Fish, with all due respect, I know the Thornton's and they are some of the best people out there. The intent to get a rebreather financed is absolutely amazing if you ask me. You do know that cars are financed right? Have you seen the accident rates in automobiles?

Dive Addicts aren't car salesman, they are a great company with solid values. Maybe your arguing the point and not the company but I'm not sure your taking into account who is leading the way.

I'm not sure you know them.

Garth


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[Mr fish]

Mr Fish, with all due respect, I know the Thornton's and they are some of the best people out there. The intent to get a rebreather financed is absolutely amazing if you ask me. You do know that cars are financed right? Have you seen the accident rates in automobiles?

Dive Addicts aren't car salesman, they are a great company with solid values. Maybe your arguing the point and not the company but I'm not sure your taking into account who is leading the way.

I'm not sure you know them.

Garth


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NO disrespect, to the Thornton's m8 . its just my dollars worth ,

ps i get the wife and my ten kids in a car and i use it all the time even gets me to work , , unlile my 20k worht of dive shit ,

some risk in life is a must , but not all risk is needed car v walk 400mile lol , oc or ccr for a 24m air dive lol :cow:

 

[Garth]

Ok. Point taken.


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[Captain Starfish]

Yeah, I'm still not seeing how we are bringing some very separate issues together here.

1. Younger people buying expensive kit and getting into debt. Well, motorbikes, cars, jet skis, all of that stuff is available on finance to youngsters and has been for years. Not all youngsters are in debt to $20k and many who are have it nailed as far as being able to make the repayments are concerned. I have a personal rule which is never to use finance for toys, save up instead. But that's a rule that works for me, other people approach life differently and that's fine. If someone is desperate to buy kit and can't afford it, how is this different to any other expensive toy?

2. People who don't need CCR for the diving they do are getting into it and putting themselves at risk. I am one of those people. Most of my diving is possible with the OC gear I have in the shed, I don't need CCR. In fact, CCR diving puts me at more risk and costs more than OC for nearly zero advantage and a lot more inconvenience before and after the dives. So what? I still prefer CCR diving.

3. People who can't afford to drop $15k on a unit are too young and stupid to learn to CCR. What? Seriously? I just don't even know what to do with a statement this retarded.

If our local tech shop started this up (heck, they may have already and I don't know) I would not avail myself of it personally, but I certainly have no problem with it and would point people who were desperate to get into CCR at them if they weren't interested in buying a cheaper 2nd hand unit.

 

[iain/hsm]

Look I don't know these folk from Adam but
Here's the beef taken from the advert alone.

LIVE YOUR DREAM. DIVE A REBREATHER..

1. Yeah right, but they are kidding.
These are two separate childish conditions both I can understand in isolation but together Its just putting the "tool" before the task. Its kiddy speak and nonsense.

Rebreathers open up an entirely new world of diving.

2. Not for $90 dollar a month they don't and not on the "jack'd" white stormtrooper toy town gear.

As some of the world's foremost rebreather diving experts,

3. Since when? I looked up the web site its a dive shop, ..with a nice pool.

6 hour run times,

4. Yeah right still for $90 a month?, Yeah sure but with the breathing rate of a 10 year old fairy.

And soundly asleep at that (if the Hollis BOV RMV breathing rate on the data sheet is anything to go by)

Been diving rebreathers since before most divers ever heard of them

5, Look I don't know these "boys' so I will be polite.
But In your dreams boys, I looked up first three on the web site, diving since 95, a 97, and a 98, with an ex investment dude thrown in.

But I know three UK posters on this post alone that have 20 years on each one of you, and thats with rebreathers. Two with Mk 15's and one (with apologies for his current YBOD) :chuckle:

... come join the dark side!

HammerHead CCR
Flex Sidemount CCR
Prism 2 CCR
Inspiration / Evolution / Evolution + CCR
Explorer Sport
SF2 (backmount and sidemount) CCR

to discuss which rebreather would be right for you!.

There kidding right? Dark side my foot.

All that lot together wouldn't even make a paler shade of grey. Iain Middlebrook

 

[lolwhat]

an ex investment dude

Could I take a guess whose idea this was in the first place?

 

[diverklondike]

Look I don't know these folk from Adam but
Here's the beef taken from the advert

Iain Middlebrook

Iain

You may not know these guys but many of us do and they are top shelf all the way. They are investing in a big way trying to breath some life into this industry.

I think if you did get to know then you would see this to be a fact.

Dive safe

Mark

 

[iain/hsm]

Iain

You may not know these guys but many of us do and they are top shelf all the way. They are investing in a big way trying to breath some life into this industry.

I think if you did get to know then you would see this to be a fact.

Dive safe

Mark

Mark

Look you may be right I have no way of telling, as I stated before I don't know the outfit. But what I'm really questioning is this "big investment" aspect into the "Sportification" of rebreathers by any and all sports shop scuba lot
and the question of the so called "industry" running the show. You see from my position it all sounds like control.

Control in how I dive, who I dive, what I dive, and where I dive.

And this "breathe new life into the industry" again I don't see that way, All I see is just some sports shop flogging scoobe junk stuff for profit, there is a big difference.

Look I know your never going to get someone like me at the "Christmas Tek Parties" I'm just bad Santa.

But this push to sell sports stuff to folk who maybe best avoided is going to affect me sooner or later, cos they will die on these sports contraptions and I will end up burdened by more heavy handed control that old guy's like me don't need.

Maybe I should haul out and head for the Hills or some such, but the next scoobe-do rebreather diver I see attached to a Go Pro on the end of a stick is going to get bent.

Bent out of shape that is however young and fit she is.

Read the small print LOL Grumpy old diver. Iain

 

[MatthewA]

Look I don't know these folk from Adam but...

Those of us who actually know the Thornton's consider ourselves the better for it, and the industry is better because of their active, inventive and good-spirited participation. I doubt anyone who read your venomous post would come away the wiser for the effort, or make the claim that it benefitted this thread, this board or the industry.

 

[iain/hsm]

I doubt anyone who read your venomous post would come away the wiser for the effort, or make the claim that it benefitted this thread, this board or the industry.

MatthewA (site Sponser)

My post doesn't have to benefit dude. It just has to be true. Iain

 

[diverklondike]

Iain,

While I get your point, that is not their motivation.... They are investing a lot for the benefit of the industry as a whole...

As an example..... www.tekdiveusa.com

Dive safe!

Mark

Mark

Look you may be right I have no way of telling, as I stated before I don't know the outfit. But what I'm really questioning is this "big investment" aspect into the "Sportification" of rebreathers by any and all sports shop scuba lot
and the question of the so called "industry" running the show. You see from my position it all sounds like control.

Control in how I dive, who I dive, what I dive, and where I dive.

And this "breathe new life into the industry" again I don't see that way, All I see is just some sports shop flogging scoobe junk stuff for profit, there is a big difference.

Look I know your never going to get someone like me at the "Christmas Tek Parties" I'm just bad Santa.

But this push to sell sports stuff to folk who maybe best avoided is going to affect me sooner or later, cos they will die on these sports contraptions and I will end up burdened by more heavy handed control that old guy's like me don't need.

Maybe I should haul out and head for the Hills or some such, but the next scoobe-do rebreather diver I see attached to a Go Pro on the end of a stick is going to get bent.

Bent out of shape that is however young and fit she is.

Read the small print LOL Grumpy old diver. Iain

 

[MatthewA]

MatthewA (site Sponser)

My post doesn't have to benefit dude. It just has to be true. Iain

Keep trying Iain! One of these days you might just hit one of those marks!



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[Mr fish]

Yeah, I'm still not seeing how we are bringing some very separate issues together here.

1. Younger people buying expensive kit and getting into debt. Well, motorbikes, cars, jet skis, all of that stuff is available on finance to youngsters and has been for years. Not all youngsters are in debt to $20k and many who are have it nailed as far as being able to make the repayments are concerned. I have a personal rule which is never to use finance for toys, save up instead. But that's a rule that works for me, other people approach life differently and that's fine. If someone is desperate to buy kit and can't afford it, how is this different to any other expensive toy?

2. People who don't need CCR for the diving they do are getting into it and putting themselves at risk. I am one of those people. Most of my diving is possible with the OC gear I have in the shed, I don't need CCR. In fact, CCR diving puts me at more risk and costs more than OC for nearly zero advantage and a lot more inconvenience before and after the dives. So what? I still prefer CCR diving.

3. People who can't afford to drop $15k on a unit are too young and stupid to learn to CCR. What? Seriously? I just don't even know what to do with a statement this retarded.

If our local tech shop started this up (heck, they may have already and I don't know) I would not avail myself of it personally, but I certainly have no problem with it and would point people who were desperate to get into CCR at them if they weren't interested in buying a cheaper 2nd hand unit.

we need to KNOW what young is , as a 17 year old with a £8k BIKE in the uk would prob think twice about that as he would be up to his neck in insurance cost , A SHIT load more than 90 dollars perM
so he would prob start on something with less power , and get some time on it , pick up some NCB,

Just saying ,

 

[ebt]

but I certainly have no problem with it and would point people who were desperate to get into CCR at them if they weren't interested in buying a cheaper 2nd hand unit.

Interesting to hear you say that star. From where Im sat if someone is only interested in all the bells and whistles I'd question why they were wanting a ccr. Theres a LOT to be gained from diving a basic unit, in terms of awareness and skills development.

 

[Captain Starfish]

Some people look at a classic and think "No way. Look at that crusty old POS. They stopped making them after everyone died on them, that will kill me, DO NOT WANT."

They then look at a disco and say "wow, it has all this extra safety shizzle and that may save my life. Here is my $90 or $120 or whatever a month, sign me up, that's what I want."

Horses for courses, and I see the finance side of it as completely irrelevant to the diving side of it. Trying to tie financial status to dive skills is like timing me on a 100 yard dash in an interview for an IT project manager's role. It's utterly nonsensical.

 

[Mr fish]

Some people look at a classic and think "No way. Look at that crusty old POS. They stopped making them after everyone died on them, that will kill me, DO NOT WANT."

They then look at a disco and say "wow, it has all this extra safety shizzle and that may save my life. Here is my $90 or $120 or whatever a month, sign me up, that's what I want."

Horses for courses, and I see the finance side of it as completely irrelevant to the diving side of it. Trying to tie financial status to dive skills is like timing me on a 100 yard dash in an interview for an IT project manager's role. It's utterly nonsensical.

lol iv not a pot to piss in so my skill must be v low ,

im off now to see it i can get a truk trip up for 30 quid down and a tenner a week once im back , wish me luck ,

one last try be4 i go ,

desperate you say , what,s that saying about desperate people,

im out ,

 

[ebt]

They then look at a disco and say "wow, it has all this extra safety shizzle and that may save my life. Here is my $90 or $120 or whatever a month, sign me up, that's what I want."
.

Scary. Fundamentally safety comes from attitude and understanding....bells/whistles can get in the way of the development of that in a novice.

 

[lizardland]

They then look at a disco and say "wow, it has all this extra safety shizzle and that may save my life. Here is my $90 or $120 or whatever a month, sign me up, that's what I want.

Jeez... I see Dr Fish's point. Making life easy for stupid people.

It's a bit like cigarettes. Pay for lung cancer 5 quid a time. Easy terms, affordable to everyone...


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[Captain Starfish]

Let's not get our hate on for the Poseidon kiddies, it fills a special niche.

Again, I fail to see the correlation between being a numpty vs being able to afford a new rebreather. So they put a JJ or a Meg or a rEVO or any other super seriously rebreather on a finance plan, what then?

 

[MatthewA]

You see from my position it all sounds like control.

But this push to sell sports stuff to folk who maybe best avoided is going to affect me sooner or later, cos they will die on these sports contraptions and I will end up burdened by more heavy handed control that old guy's like me don't need.

You are saying YOUR OPINION should dictate the heavy handed control over who and who may not dive rebreathers, so someone else will not exert heavy handed control over YOUR ability to dive into senility.

And you say Americans have no sense of irony?

Why do you think only people with 10K of disposable income at the ready will make better RB divers and conversely, why do people who require financing to enjoy the same end of the sport you enjoy, automatically fall into a category requiring closer scrutiny. I'm sure you've seen plenty of wealthy people whose water activities should be restricted to a shower.

If you do not set yourself up as the arbiter of diving, then the system that was in place when YOU first strapped on a recreational RB remains in force, and everybody gets the same chance to prove themselves that you did.

What I find particularly interesting is you, one of the horseman of the Apocalypse, decrying "control" in the diving industry when you and the rest of the "Reality Black Hole gang" seem hell-bent on doing everything you can, including but not limited to smearing actual manufacturers*, threats of legal actions and shouting for MORE government intervention in our industry to promote exactly what you say you don't want to have happen to your ability to dive! Hell Man, this is the bed YOU are helping to make!

And you say Americans have no sense of irony.