What's going on here? IS this a mistake or Dirty Pool?????

Don't buy it in the US ....fly to Europe & buy one then .....sounds like you believe it would be cheaper, live with it.....we have to (ISC & Meg)

Mountain out of a mole hill .......lol

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Porsche USA website 911 GT3 no extras MSRP $ 130,400.00 ex tax

Porsche GER website 911 GT3 no extras RP $ 131.314,77 ex tax ( todays rate 1,1381 )

Well :drink:

Hoffi
 
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I do think I understand the issue. The Swiss Franc just went up 20% vs the Euro in a single moment recently due to being "unhooked" from the static rate agains the Euro.
But do you think all shops & dealers here instantly adjust the prices even though most products sold here are not made in Switzerland and directly imported from EU?
If they have considerable stock here they cannot - if they import directly and have little stock they "may" give a discount if there was a drastic currency slip but often not. What they often will be is be more friendly and give better customer service. So people don't buy or go across border and buy in Germany.
Exchange rate changed from 1.60 CHF to the EUR to 1.00 to the EUR over the last years. Not much changed to prices on anything in CH.

My point is that items are priced according to local market and often currency changes are not frequently quickly reflected in local pricing.

ATB
I don't think you understand the issue that Jon is addressing at all. It is not about the JJ being too expensive. It is not about it being more expensive in the US than it is in Europe. It is about the fluctuation in price (or lack thereof) when exchange rates change. Let's take your example of the Jeep. Forget about it being the equivalent of $61K in Switzerland versus $29K in the US. That is not the complaint. Accept that as a cost of buying an overseas product. The price of the car is listed as $61K USD. So it costs you 57400 CHF to buy the 61000 USD needed to purchase the car. Remember that the price of the car is actually given in USD, not CHF. Now the dollar begins a freefall against the franc. Suddenly you can get $61K USD for the bargain rate of only 55000 CHF. So you take your 55K CHF to the car dealer and ask to buy a car. But the dealer says, "I'm sorry. The price is 57400 CHF, which is now equivalent to $64K USD. He just raised the price by $3000 USD, even though the listed price is $61000. His cost has not changed, and he is now importing the cars for less CHF, but he is not passing that exchange rate savings on to the buyer, despite the price of the car being listed in USD.

It is not about the JJ being more expensive than other rebreathers, or being more expensive in the USA. It is about the price being listed in Euro yet being held constant in USD, essentially raising the price to the buyer and harming sales and the reputation of the manufacturer. Curt has now explained that his deal with JJ was in USD, not in Euro. And he has now dropped the price from $10,250 to $9,000. That is still a higher premium in terms of Euro than it was before the exchange rate dropped, but certainly not as much as before JonT started this thread. It is NOT about a JJ costing more than 6778 Euro in the US. Curt spent the time and effort to become the exclusive distributor for JJ in the US. It is about the premium over that price increasing as the exchange rate falls because a supposedly Euro-priced item is being treated as a dollar-priced item.

Jon has enough rebreathers to last several lifetimes. Whether or not he wants to add a JJ to his arsenal, he has every right to question the pricing policy. Think of how much he has already saved people here by getting the price dropped from $10,250 to $9,000. Of course that won't make Curt happy.
 
They ship iPhones from China, not from the US - no difference in shipping I think. This is not the reason. They charge more because they can, people accept it and still buy the phone in the UK since they have no alternative (other than to fly to the US and then the whole 'locked phone' saga started).
Question discussed here I guess is how much of the exchange rate bonus the dealer should pass on to the consumer. This often depends on how many units the dealer is selling and what the demand is. When the rate goes into the other direction, how quickly should the dealer increase prices. Maybe everything should be priced like avocados as lobster - at "today's price"...?
 
Porsche CH website 911 GT3 no extras RP $ 204 103 (inkl tax) :-(
Well, Germany is not too far...

Porsche USA website 911 GT3 no extras MSRP $ 130,400.00 ex tax

Porsche GER website 911 GT3 no extras RP $ 131.314,77 ex tax ( todays rate 1,1381 )

Well :drink:

Hoffi
 
Units for export outside of the EU are NOT subjected to VAT

Import tax. this has to be some sort of reductio ad absurdum thing, surely?

I think curts being quite generous myself, after you accused him of theft in your first post.
 
REALLY??? Now you're turning this into some political argument or you feel the need to criticize America??? LOL

Clown...you have missed the point entirely.
So what is the point?

As far as I can see it's pages of self-indulgent whining that you dont like the price set by a guy running a business and not a charity.

Either buy it or dont. Either buy it from the guy or someone else.

Amazing, someone from the land of the free market bitching about free market prices for a product made by goddam pinko commie Europeans.
 
So what is the point?

As far as I can see it's pages of self-indulgent whining that you dont like the price set by a guy running a business and not a charity.

Either buy it or dont. Either buy it from the guy or someone else.

Amazing, someone from the land of the free market bitching about free market prices for a product made by goddam pinko commie Europeans.

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Units for export outside of the EU are NOT subjected to VAT

That is exactly what I said at least thats what I meant, again we are talking about MSRP the dealer mark up is included in that number......

You left out my continuing point. Email JJ and order one. Or email an EU dealer and order one. It will be interesting to see the polite wording of sorry, I'd love to help but... etc.

Of course all this international trade stuff can lead to some properly poor outcomes. At least you can buy an actual JJ in the USA. Imagine you ordered one and some other RB turned up with the only similarity being the logo.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...op-importing-yummy-cadbury-bars-10004199.html
 
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So what is the point?

As far as I can see it's pages of self-indulgent whining that you dont like the price set by a guy running a business and not a charity.

Either buy it or dont. Either buy it from the guy or someone else.

Amazing, someone from the land of the free market bitching about free market prices for a product made by goddam pinko commie Europeans.

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Euro Trash aren't getting it, oh well, my suggestion would be go back to school.......

But the numbers say something else, this post was started at 8:06PM, Feb. 9th, 2015 just under 6 days ago and so far its received 3,731 views, apparently many people have read it, understand it and are following up.............

How many threads in the rebreather community on any website have ever received this kind of viewership? not many.

Cheers I've said all I can.
 
Car crash telly / crap 'fly on the wall' documentaries get lots of viewer ratings, but that doesn't mean they are of quality ;)

The OSEL threads also got lots of viewings... ;)

Regards
 
Euro Trash aren't getting it, oh well, my suggestion would be go back to school.......

But the numbers say something else, this post was started at 8:06PM, Feb. 9th, 2015 just under 6 days ago and so far its received 3,731 views, apparently many people have read it, understand it and are following up.............

How many threads in the rebreather community on any website have ever received this kind of viewership? not many.

Cheers I've said all I can.

Nothing says no substance more than ad hom attacks.

As GLOC points out just cos folk are watching doesn't mean you're producing quality viewing.
 
We keep coming back to see which side of the pram you've chucked your toys this time... :D

You don't like the price, guess what? Nobody cares. Suck it up and move on. Buy your JJ from him, buy it in Europe, whatever, just stop whinging about it.
 
If I were the distributor, I would probably now decline to sell one to the OP.

So looks like buying from Europe will be his only option.
 
Gentlemen, I will remind everyone once again to please keep it civil. If it continues to get nasty, I will not hesitate to shut the thread down.
 
Gentlemen, I will remind everyone once again to please keep it civil. If it continues to get nasty, I will not hesitate to shut the thread down.

Randy, I understand your viewpoint and concerns, but this thread has remained extremely civil with regards to the both sides of the debate.
 
Euro Trash aren't getting it, oh well, my suggestion would be go back to school.......

Cheers I've said all I can.

Well JONT, I did my school long agoo so understand free market and it's law/rules quite well. So no need going back....

But can understand your pain....

If you want to fight with Curt to lower price or transit to sell in euro do it properly, not on forums.

You can even call JJ manufacturer and ask about the conditions under which they sell JJ to USA and tell them your story. Maybe they will understand and help you or mabe they will not. For sure you will gain more than here.

Beside this, I am not Euro Trash, my name is Igor if you did not know ;) and am proud of it.

Best regards,

Igor P

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