CCR with Team Diving in Mind.

Mattp

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In recent years we have seen a lot of changes in the world of rebreathers several units targeted at sport divers hitting the market and quite a few models aimed at the technical diver used to push the limits of cave and wreck exploration. At this point in time I am afraid that training and dive procedures evolved over the last two decades may become diluted. In this post I will overview my general thoughts on team diving with CCR for decompression and overhead environments along with my configuration thoughts, specifically developed procedures used will not be included at this time.

A brief history

In the summer of 2005, I had been looking into getting a PSC-Rebreather for cave diving but due to the fact that I had 5 closed circuit rebreathers at the time for training and personal diving I decided to customize a Megalodon CCR, making a hybrid manual, electronic and passive SCR latter switching to the JJ-CCR for its simplicity. I set a goal to implement a standard configuration and set of procedures for diving rebreather in challenging technical environments.

Standardized diving practices bring clear benefits to advanced level diving keeping teams in sync with gear, simplifying dive planning and managing emergencies along with sharing a common dive objective to enjoy, succeed and have rewarding dives, I had been involved in several projects involving deep dives on CCR, during those projects the team was unable to agree in dive practices, gas management and shared differing opinions on how to deal with emergencies thus resulting in unsuccessful dives and dangerous mission planning.

The first step was to look at implementing dive planning and procedures that I felt would streamline CCR diving that began with standardizing gases, they were adapted GUE standard gases as I believe in the diving a END of 30m in overhead environments but Maximum operating depths needed revising due to the rebreather diver requiring the ability to conduct cell verification checks at depths, all MOD’S were set around 1.0ppo2 at target depth. Bailout gases were then a consideration, conventional max PPO2 were considered to be ok and the following gases in table 1 were put into place.



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It was then need to develop a standard method for covering the other dive planning consideration and as rebreather diving seemed to be somewhat an art it was developed around the acronym MONA LISA as highlighted below. This enabled the team to cover most aspects of the dive prior to gearing up ensure each team member was clear on the objectives, plans, roles and responsibility’s and dive execution the final apparatus check is conducted prior to diving following a head-to-toe check, verification of system operation and function along with itemized equipment enable the team to be relaxed at the beginning of the dive that all is setup and functioning prior to entry. It worth mentioning that we still complete the manufactures pre-checklist and the MONA LISA is not a substitute for them in anyway.

MONA LISA***8232;
M - mission
Dive Objective
O -Organization
Define the roles in the team
N - Navigation
Direction / Survey
A – Ascent Profile
Depth & Time & Deco / Bailout
L - Linearity Check
Decent & Depth
I- Inert gas mixture
Standard Gases
S - Set-point
Decent & Depth & Ascent
A- Apparatus
Head to toe check



So with all the preparation and planning organized and streamlined we now need to consider standard diving practices as it is only the goal to overview them in brief in this article.I have since produced a detailed set of SOP for team diving and rebreather use. They consider team communication, In-water safety checks/decent checks, bottom phase considerations, normal ascents procedures along with operation and standard skills for dealing with unit failures and emergencies, decompression techniques and diving CCR in overhead environments.

Basic skills like loop volume management, SMB deployment, buoyancy and trim are not covered in the standards and procedures document as there are covered in basic factory training.

CCR Standard diving practices:

1. Head –to Toe checks & In water safety drill
2. Decent techniques & Set-point switching as a team
3. Ascent techniques on CCR
4. When to Bail out to open circuit
5. Delivery of gas to out of gas diver
6. Cell linearity checks during the dive
7. Dealing with a High level of inspired oxygen
8. Low oxygen / no oxygen
9. Low diluent / no diluent
10. When to Manual fly the rebreather
11. Rebreather Rescue techniques for unconscious divers and divers suffering Hypercapnia with mandatory decompression stops

Phase two was to develop a standardized TX Decompression Diver Skill Set:

1. Normal ascent procedures for decompression on CCR
2. Open circuit Bailout decompression
3. OC gas switching procedure
4. Unknown gas failures Fixable or none fixable failures (Boom! Drills)
5. Dealing with lost gases / No o2 liner swims and initial ascents
6. Off-board pluggable gas addition,
7. Dealing with failed Monitoring systems
8. Multiple Stage/Decompression bottle management
9. CCR Flood recovery Options
10. Semi closed Rebreather operation
11. Lost bailout gas procedure, a Pragmatic approach to bailout CCR deco
12. What if’s, General equipment failures and problems

Phase three was to further consideration diving practices and emergencies in Overhead environments specific to caves. Obviously their are a number of already accepted decompression and cave diving skills the rebreather diver needs to understand to managing the CCR in technical and overhead environments these skills also need to be covered.

All the above skills sets have key steps to ensure success in diving operations and requires each team member to fully understand each component of the skills along with being able to effectively communicate with each other as their status during the dive and support document was then produced to standardize team rebreather communication.

With such a large skills set and possible problems during a complicated dive it became clear that we needed to consider a few addition concepts as standard practice the most important being “if in doubt bailout “ go to open circuit and stay out until such a time that the diver can think reasonable to what has gone on and can they fix the problem this reduces the task loading in trying to manage complicated drills in complicated environments, it requires the team to be clear with a full OC bailout drill and gas management procedures to end the dive safely. It was with this in mind that that I took the approach the rebreather works as it should or not and bailout to OC and end the dive.

The second was that the team needed to regularly practice the drills and maintain a dived up status to ensure proficiency and competency in executing the dives and managing the emergencies a team may face at this level of diving. I am personally lucky enough to teach courses on a regular basis at all levels of CCR and see that often divers lack good communication, situational awareness and general dive practice as they simply don’t have enough buddies or diving time to practice resulting in divers who may only get the chance to do skills and drills on a 5 day training class, and this is not enough. Divers are often paralyzed by the multiple skills they learn thinking they can plug this to that, flush the loop here and their, switch this to that and end up making a cluster of it all solving nothing and compounding problems at depth, this requires a clear breakdown of when, were and how skills should be executed and practiced until mastery is achieved.

To date no one as completely standardized rebreather diving and I don’t believe they ever will but I am sure that teams / divers must agree on an effective well thought out systematic approaches to rebreather diving to ensure diver safely and make the whole thing a more manageable activity and hopefully resulting in fewer accidents within the community.


Configurations and system design

It was clear in my mind that I liked the idea of large volume gases used in open circuit profiles and PSCR dives combined with my standard open circuit configuration keeping things flowing for all level dives following the DIR principles I had been introduced to in my GUE tech training. That summer I had done a lot of open circuit diving and really enjoyed its simplicity again so decided to revisit my skills set for CCR, In order to simplify my skills set I had to consider my equipment setup.

The result was a list of unit specific considerations that would set the foundation for my system design.

• The unit should allow for large volume On-board bailout gas supply cylinder to be fitted, not necessarily all diluent on-board but supports the idea a diver can pass off bottom mix to a team member in an emergency and not have to long hose gas share in complex dives..

•The unit should have back mounted counter-lungs to allow for a streamlined profile.

•The CCR should be fitted with a built in bailout valve/ BOV and routed to a cylinder with enough capacity to make a personal bailout without going to a stage unless required due to primary system failure

•The configuration must be equipped with both oxygen and diluent supply manual bypass systems.

•The units should be able to accept off-board pluggable gas incase of primary supply failure.

•The unit should be fitted with a back up system monitor.

•The system should be maintainable without any special tools and should be in the field repairable.

•The unit should have undergone independent testing to validate unit performance.

•The unit should trim out well without the need for lots of additional weight to allow for streamlining in overhead environments.

•The unit should be modular in design and be travel friendly.

The above criteria enables the use of several rigs existing in the market today. My choice was to modify a Megalodon CCR that was costly and un-tested in the configuration I needed, I later switched to the new JJ-CCR as this unit needed little modification was tested and came to the market at a very reasonable price. I have been diving this rig extensively now for the last 2 years and have found it to meet the demands of my diving and has exceeded my original expectations of the gear.



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Modified Meg CCR and JJ-CCR

Over the last eight years I have continued to refine the SOP and skills set and have been able to introduce many new CCR divers to the concept of team diving on rebreathers I would like to thank them for their input and thoughts that have evolved this system to what it is now.

If there are other rebreather divers diving in teams and would like to share their protocols and procedures feel free to post.

To those not introduced yet to team diving please remember the concept is holistic and requires full understanding to be effective in use.

As time allows I will share more of the SOP with the CCR explorer community and welcome any comments and suggestions on the above.

Maybe my friend and new owner Randy could open a subsection for team diving and Rebreathers for us to share our thoughts and ideas



All the Best
 
Matt, excellent post! Thank you for taking the considerable time to put your thoughts down.

Just a couple of questions for you:

1. What size team do you consider to be optimal and does this optimal size change for different types of missions ?

2. Are these team diving protocols taught as part of your normal classes, ie. CCR Deco, CCR Trimix, CCR Advanced Trimix, CCR Cave, CCR Wreck, etc. or are you running special Team Diving Courses?

3. Do you require your team members to have identical equipment configurations? If not, what allowances do you make for personal preferences?

Thanks again for posting this excellent article. Certainly a lot of material to ponder! I love the Mona Lisa acronym by the way.

We will get a Team Diving sub-forum set up as soon as possible as I believe that this will generate a lot of interest and discussion.

Warm regards,
Randy
 
hI buddy,

1. Optimal team size is deep teams of three with two deep support, two shallow support and surface crew as per dive objective.

2. I often introduce many of the concepts to students but im clear to stick to manufacture guidelines for factor training so I mainly introduce at mixed gas and cave and yes randy I have ran lots of workshops to already certified divers.

3. Allowances have to be made in some cases, so long as it doesn't present major difficulties in managing emergencies and the entire team understands the configuration change and accepts it.

@ Randy thanks for taking over the forum im sure it will become a great resource under your control and thanks for the subform i will certainly use it.



Matt, excellent post! Thank you for taking the considerable time to put your thoughts down.

Just a couple of questions for you:

1. What size team do you consider to be optimal and does this optimal size change for different types of missions ?

2. Are these team diving protocols taught as part of your normal classes, ie. CCR Deco, CCR Trimix, CCR Advanced Trimix, CCR Cave, CCR Wreck, etc. or are you running special Team Diving Courses?

3. Do you require your team members to have identical equipment configurations? If not, what allowances do you make for personal preferences?

Thanks again for posting this excellent article. Certainly a lot of material to ponder! I love the Mona Lisa acronym by the way.

We will get a Team Diving sub-forum set up as soon as possible as I believe that this will generate a lot of interest and discussion.

Warm regards,
Randy
 
Thanks for posting Matt!

This is obviously well thought-out. If you had to pick one or two single weaknesses you see in teams (literally, or theoretically), what would you say it is?

I'm thinking it is probably communication.

  1. U/W communication
  2. Pre-dive communication
  3. Communicating concerns
  4. Communication w/o fear of reproach or ridicule
  5. etc etc

I know with my normal dive team (father and brother), we have a huge advantage b/c we get to dive together so frequently- so frequently that we have developed some SOP for ourselves without even trying to do so.

Anyway, I think more discussion of team dynamics, procedures etc could benefit almost all tech divers, especially those looking to progress onto more challenging dives.
 
Thanks for posting Matt!

This is obviously well thought-out. If you had to pick one or two single weaknesses you see in teams (literally, or theoretically), what would you say it is?

I'm thinking it is probably communication.

  1. U/W communication
  2. Pre-dive communication
  3. Communicating concerns
  4. Communication w/o fear of reproach or ridicule
  5. etc etc

I know with my normal dive team (father and brother), we have a huge advantage b/c we get to dive together so frequently- so frequently that we have developed some SOP for ourselves without even trying to do so.

Anyway, I think more discussion of team dynamics, procedures etc could benefit almost all tech divers, especially those looking to progress onto more challenging dives.

+ 1 Josh you are so correct IMHO. Matt is way beyond any level of organization that I have been around, but your comment strikes home. I am struggling with this with my mates. Tomorrows dive is to be a "formal" dive to work to hone some of these issues, and more.

Peter
 
Thanks Josh,

The weakness link is not enough skills practice as a team, its easy to think/discuss about what you're going to do in-water and practice prior to a skills dive, thats very different to having objectives tested as surprises without prior discussion and putting the training into action under controlled conditions. Close second is then coms:-)

Thanks for posting Matt!

This is obviously well thought-out. If you had to pick one or two single weaknesses you see in teams (literally, or theoretically), what would you say it is?

I'm thinking it is probably communication.

  1. U/W communication
  2. Pre-dive communication
  3. Communicating concerns
  4. Communication w/o fear of reproach or ridicule
  5. etc etc

I know with my normal dive team (father and brother), we have a huge advantage b/c we get to dive together so frequently- so frequently that we have developed some SOP for ourselves without even trying to do so.

Anyway, I think more discussion of team dynamics, procedures etc could benefit almost all tech divers, especially those looking to progress onto more challenging dives.
 
In recent years we have seen a lot of changes in the world of rebreathers several units targeted at sport divers hitting the market and quite a few models aimed at the technical diver used to push the limits of cave and wreck exploration. At this point in time I am afraid that training and dive procedures evolved over the last two decades may become diluted. In this post I will overview my general thoughts on team diving with CCR for decompression and overhead environments along with my configuration thoughts, specifically developed procedures used will not be included at this time.

A brief history

In the summer of 2005, I had been looking into getting a PSC-Rebreather for cave diving but due to the fact that I had 5 closed circuit rebreathers at the time for training and personal diving I decided to customize a Megalodon CCR, making a hybrid manual, electronic and passive SCR latter switching to the JJ-CCR for its simplicity. I set a goal to implement a standard configuration and set of procedures for diving rebreather in challenging technical environments.

Standardized diving practices bring clear benefits to advanced level diving keeping teams in sync with gear, simplifying dive planning and managing emergencies along with sharing a common dive objective to enjoy, succeed and have rewarding dives, I had been involved in several projects involving deep dives on CCR, during those projects the team was unable to agree in dive practices, gas management and shared differing opinions on how to deal with emergencies thus resulting in unsuccessful dives and dangerous mission planning.

The first step was to look at implementing dive planning and procedures that I felt would streamline CCR diving that began with standardizing gases, they were adapted GUE standard gases as I believe in the diving a END of 30m in overhead environments but Maximum operating depths needed revising due to the rebreather diver requiring the ability to conduct cell verification checks at depths, all MOD’S were set around 1.0ppo2 at target depth. Bailout gases were then a consideration, conventional max PPO2 were considered to be ok and the following gases in table 1 were put into place.



View attachment 3080

It was then need to develop a standard method for covering the other dive planning consideration and as rebreather diving seemed to be somewhat an art it was developed around the acronym MONA LISA as highlighted below. This enabled the team to cover most aspects of the dive prior to gearing up ensure each team member was clear on the objectives, plans, roles and responsibility’s and dive execution the final apparatus check is conducted prior to diving following a head-to-toe check, verification of system operation and function along with itemized equipment enable the team to be relaxed at the beginning of the dive that all is setup and functioning prior to entry. It worth mentioning that we still complete the manufactures pre-checklist and the MONA LISA is not a substitute for them in anyway.

MONA LISA***8232;
M - mission
Dive Objective
O -Organization
Define the roles in the team
N - Navigation
Direction / Survey
A – Ascent Profile
Depth & Time & Deco / Bailout
L - Linearity Check
Decent & Depth
I- Inert gas mixture
Standard Gases
S - Set-point
Decent & Depth & Ascent
A- Apparatus
Head to toe check



So with all the preparation and planning organized and streamlined we now need to consider standard diving practices as it is only the goal to overview them in brief in this article.I have since produced a detailed set of SOP for team diving and rebreather use. They consider team communication, In-water safety checks/decent checks, bottom phase considerations, normal ascents procedures along with operation and standard skills for dealing with unit failures and emergencies, decompression techniques and diving CCR in overhead environments.

Basic skills like loop volume management, SMB deployment, buoyancy and trim are not covered in the standards and procedures document as there are covered in basic factory training.

CCR Standard diving practices:

1. Head –to Toe checks & In water safety drill
2. Decent techniques & Set-point switching as a team
3. Ascent techniques on CCR
4. When to Bail out to open circuit
5. Delivery of gas to out of gas diver
6. Cell linearity checks during the dive
7. Dealing with a High level of inspired oxygen
8. Low oxygen / no oxygen
9. Low diluent / no diluent
10. When to Manual fly the rebreather
11. Rebreather Rescue techniques for unconscious divers and divers suffering Hypercapnia with mandatory decompression stops

Phase two was to develop a standardized TX Decompression Diver Skill Set:

1. Normal ascent procedures for decompression on CCR
2. Open circuit Bailout decompression
3. OC gas switching procedure
4. Unknown gas failures Fixable or none fixable failures (Boom! Drills)
5. Dealing with lost gases / No o2 liner swims and initial ascents
6. Off-board pluggable gas addition,
7. Dealing with failed Monitoring systems
8. Multiple Stage/Decompression bottle management
9. CCR Flood recovery Options
10. Semi closed Rebreather operation
11. Lost bailout gas procedure, a Pragmatic approach to bailout CCR deco
12. What if’s, General equipment failures and problems

Phase three was to further consideration diving practices and emergencies in Overhead environments specific to caves. Obviously their are a number of already accepted decompression and cave diving skills the rebreather diver needs to understand to managing the CCR in technical and overhead environments these skills also need to be covered.

All the above skills sets have key steps to ensure success in diving operations and requires each team member to fully understand each component of the skills along with being able to effectively communicate with each other as their status during the dive and support document was then produced to standardize team rebreather communication.

With such a large skills set and possible problems during a complicated dive it became clear that we needed to consider a few addition concepts as standard practice the most important being “if in doubt bailout “ go to open circuit and stay out until such a time that the diver can think reasonable to what has gone on and can they fix the problem this reduces the task loading in trying to manage complicated drills in complicated environments, it requires the team to be clear with a full OC bailout drill and gas management procedures to end the dive safely. It was with this in mind that that I took the approach the rebreather works as it should or not and bailout to OC and end the dive.

The second was that the team needed to regularly practice the drills and maintain a dived up status to ensure proficiency and competency in executing the dives and managing the emergencies a team may face at this level of diving. I am personally lucky enough to teach courses on a regular basis at all levels of CCR and see that often divers lack good communication, situational awareness and general dive practice as they simply don’t have enough buddies or diving time to practice resulting in divers who may only get the chance to do skills and drills on a 5 day training class, and this is not enough. Divers are often paralyzed by the multiple skills they learn thinking they can plug this to that, flush the loop here and their, switch this to that and end up making a cluster of it all solving nothing and compounding problems at depth, this requires a clear breakdown of when, were and how skills should be executed and practiced until mastery is achieved.

To date no one as completely standardized rebreather diving and I don’t believe they ever will but I am sure that teams / divers must agree on an effective well thought out systematic approaches to rebreather diving to ensure diver safely and make the whole thing a more manageable activity and hopefully resulting in fewer accidents within the community.


Configurations and system design

It was clear in my mind that I liked the idea of large volume gases used in open circuit profiles and PSCR dives combined with my standard open circuit configuration keeping things flowing for all level dives following the DIR principles I had been introduced to in my GUE tech training. That summer I had done a lot of open circuit diving and really enjoyed its simplicity again so decided to revisit my skills set for CCR, In order to simplify my skills set I had to consider my equipment setup.

The result was a list of unit specific considerations that would set the foundation for my system design.

• The unit should allow for large volume On-board bailout gas supply cylinder to be fitted, not necessarily all diluent on-board but supports the idea a diver can pass off bottom mix to a team member in an emergency and not have to long hose gas share in complex dives..

•The unit should have back mounted counter-lungs to allow for a streamlined profile.

•The CCR should be fitted with a built in bailout valve/ BOV and routed to a cylinder with enough capacity to make a personal bailout without going to a stage unless required due to primary system failure

•The configuration must be equipped with both oxygen and diluent supply manual bypass systems.

•The units should be able to accept off-board pluggable gas incase of primary supply failure.

•The unit should be fitted with a back up system monitor.

•The system should be maintainable without any special tools and should be in the field repairable.

•The unit should have undergone independent testing to validate unit performance.

•The unit should trim out well without the need for lots of additional weight to allow for streamlining in overhead environments.

•The unit should be modular in design and be travel friendly.

The above criteria enables the use of several rigs existing in the market today. My choice was to modify a Megalodon CCR that was costly and un-tested in the configuration I needed, I later switched to the new JJ-CCR as this unit needed little modification was tested and came to the market at a very reasonable price. I have been diving this rig extensively now for the last 2 years and have found it to meet the demands of my diving and has exceeded my original expectations of the gear.



View attachment 3081

Modified Meg CCR and JJ-CCR

Over the last eight years I have continued to refine the SOP and skills set and have been able to introduce many new CCR divers to the concept of team diving on rebreathers I would like to thank them for their input and thoughts that have evolved this system to what it is now.

If there are other rebreather divers diving in teams and would like to share their protocols and procedures feel free to post.

To those not introduced yet to team diving please remember the concept is holistic and requires full understanding to be effective in use.

As time allows I will share more of the SOP with the CCR explorer community and welcome any comments and suggestions on the above.

Maybe my friend and new owner Randy could open a subsection for team diving and Rebreathers for us to share our thoughts and ideas



All the Best

well done Matt,

I think not only the rescue technique for underwater rescue needs a standard team approach, i think we need to go further.
we need to look at rescue Breaths on the surface, As being a Paramedic for 16 year(now retired) and an Emergency Nurse for 4 years before that i have myself looked after 100's of Cardiac arrests. trying to do EFFECTIVE mouth to mouth rescue breaths in water is near impossible.

we have in O/C an Occy (regulator), in in CC bailout cylinders with regulators, BOV's we should look at using them to assist with surface rescue.

Using a regulator and purging it for 2-3sec into the divers mouth would deliver an increased PPO2, increased tidal volume, and greatly assist EFFECTIVE rescue breaths.
i would suggest this being done whilst in a Tried diver tow position, where you would be able to maintain a supine position and have a better chance at maintaining an airway, Then trying to do mouth to mouth in water.

The chances of causing Pulmonary injury to a unconscious not breathing diver are minimal, and if you are using a Mix of 50% your going to greatly assist the divers hypoxia.
The best place for an unconscious not breathing diver is on a boat using a bag mask resuscitator. with all the correct O2 equipment and emergency action plans in places.

This is just my thoughts, i know people will disagree and please let me know your thoughts.
 
If someone hasn't written a book about this it sounds like the authors could be on this thread. A lot of good information on this thread. Thanks it's a pleasure to read.
 
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well done Matt,

I think not only the rescue technique for underwater rescue needs a standard team approach, i think we need to go further.
we need to look at rescue Breaths on the surface, As being a Paramedic for 16 year(now retired) and an Emergency Nurse for 4 years before that i have myself looked after 100's of Cardiac arrests. trying to do EFFECTIVE mouth to mouth rescue breaths in water is near impossible.

we have in O/C an Occy (regulator), in in CC bailout cylinders with regulators, BOV's we should look at using them to assist with surface rescue.

Using a regulator and purging it for 2-3sec into the divers mouth would deliver an increased PPO2, increased tidal volume, and greatly assist EFFECTIVE rescue breaths.
i would suggest this being done whilst in a Tried diver tow position, where you would be able to maintain a supine position and have a better chance at maintaining an airway, Then trying to do mouth to mouth in water.

The chances of causing Pulmonary injury to a unconscious not breathing diver are minimal, and if you are using a Mix of 50% your going to greatly assist the divers hypoxia.
The best place for an unconscious not breathing diver is on a boat using a bag mask resuscitator. with all the correct O2 equipment and emergency action plans in places.

This is just my thoughts, i know people will disagree and please let me know your thoughts.

Agreed about most of what you wrote, other than using regulator. Seems like either the reg will be ineffective -- in which case you're wasting time getting them to the boat and the BVM -- or else if you manage to do it effectively they you are putting them at risk of pulmonary injury. I don't see how you can have it both ways with it being effective and running little risk, although I suspect its just going to be ineffective rather than causing injury.
 
Matt,

Good post, thank you.

When diving in a team, how do you synchronize the decompression obligations of the team as a whole?

Do you allow team members to follow their own decompression plan?

Best regards

Pieter
 
Matt,

Good post, thank you.

When diving in a team, how do you synchronize the decompression obligations of the team as a whole?

Do you allow team members to follow their own decompression plan?

Best regards

Pieter

First off the team all dives standard set-points, and gases both on-board and off-board this combined with constant gradient factor or level chosen on v-planner make for consistent back up profiles, one member is deco captain and manages the ascent knowing at any time the other members can take over the role. Then with solid communications divers can use live decompression to communicate live ascent profile or on the fly deco.
 
Agreed about most of what you wrote, other than using regulator. Seems like either the reg will be ineffective -- in which case you're wasting time getting them to the boat and the BVM -- or else if you manage to do it effectively they you are putting them at risk of pulmonary injury. .

As a fellow paramedic I'd have to support Chris on this one. If you can get a good seal, then the reg could work really well. If you can get a seal... however the same caveat still applies with mouth to mouth and pocket masks. Getting a good seal on an airway with a full ambulance at your disposal on dry land is hard enough. On your mate in the ocean...


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Then with solid communications divers can use live decompression to communicate live ascent profile or on the fly deco.

Are you advocating using ratio deco as your primary deco calculator here or am I misinterpreting the term 'live decompression/on the fly deco'?



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Are you advocating using ratio deco as your primary deco calculator here or am I misinterpreting the term 'live decompression/on the fly deco'?



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Dave

Deco on the fly following live data from wired computer not a ratio but this works but why when I have 2k's worth of controller
 
*pedant alert*

Deco on the fly means to deco when swimming. It is not another name for ratio deco even if it does sound like "make it up as you go"

*pedant mode over - sorry my pet peeve.

More interesting question is what to do when ratio deco and SW disagree. If I could dive the JJ in gauge mode I would but until now have just had to watch it cry ;)
 
More interesting question is what to do when ratio deco and SW disagree. If I could dive the JJ in gauge mode I would but until now have just had to watch it cry ;)

Curious as to why you would trust ratio deco over the Shearwater? Not a dig, but ratio deco seems to me a bit of a card trick and more susepitible to error than a fully functioning computer. The computer can fail, on yesterdays dive one did, but it was obvious and we had mutiple back ups. The computer does not get task loaded or tired. I sure do!

Peter
 
Curious as to why you would trust ratio deco over the Shearwater? Not a dig, but ratio deco seems to me a bit of a card trick and more susepitible to error than a fully functioning computer. The computer can fail, on yesterdays dive one did, but it was obvious and we had mutiple back ups. The computer does not get task loaded or tired. I sure do!

Peter

Experience from OC (as I have no CCR experience): The whole team know what the deco should be and are monitoring it, so if the deco captain makes a mess, then the rest of the team can pick it up, so unless the whole team are task loaded, then it shouldn't be an issue.

Regards
 
One of the GUE gurus was recently bent because he stuffed up the ratio deco and neither of his two GUE instructor buddies thought to correct him...

I'll trust my two SW over maths at depth any day.

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One of the GUE gurus was recently bent because he stuffed up the ratio deco and neither of his two GUE instructor buddies thought to correct him...

I'll trust my two SW over maths at depth any day.

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Yes and by about 30 minutes!

How does ratio deco work if you're running a fixed setpoint?
 
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