Free Dave Sutton.

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Now that CCRX has changed hands so to speak, why is it that Dave is now banned?

Set the personal fights aside and keep a valuable asset in the dive community.

Just saying.

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Hmmmm, what's the one constant with Sutton getting banned by various forums run by different individuals?
 

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That's one way to announce a new management and a new forum culture. Personally I find it disturbing. Tolerance and free speech are important, whether or not you have old grudges. A forums worth is made up by it's members and I for one do not plan to stick around if this is the way it's going to be run.
 
On CCRX you clock up "infraction points" until you get a ban. Some expire after a time, others don't.

Dave clocked up enough points for a ban - and so got banned. I'm not going to go into the details other than to say that infractions were given over a period of time by Moderators who have been with CCRX from day one - nothing to do with the new owners.

Hope this clarifies things.

Janos
 
Janos said:
On CCRX you clock up "infraction points" until you get a ban. Some expire after a time, others don't.

Dave clocked up enough points for a ban - and so got banned. I'm not going to go into the details other than to say that infractions were given over a period of time by Moderators who have been with CCRX from day one - nothing to do with the new owners.

Hope this clarifies things.

Janos
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Just happens to be a convenient day to do so?

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I would not normally enter into a public debate about why any member has been banned. however on this occasion I need to state clearly that this was done under the old ownership and due to his behaviour towards members and the moderators over several months. I assure you that he was given the benefit of the doubt and room for manoeuvre on many occasions.

Perhaps rather than look for conspiracies in this, it may be better to conclude that as we current and past board owners of various forums are not in contact with each other and have no agreed strategy, perhaps the same outcome has been reached as we have all been subjected to the same standard of behaviour.

It is a shame. No one member should consider themselves more important than the community. One or two members who constantly breed malcontent make running a board a difficult and a thankless task. Dave has threatened to leave the board or post threads about how it should be run on numerous occasions as he did not like the light handed moderation style we chose to have. I guess, on my last day, I chose to take his advice ;)

For those who cry foul, think on this. All who run these boards do so voluntarily - there is no money in starting up a forum to give divers a place to hang out. They do not deserve to be harangued and bullied by one member (or others) who feel they are more important than anyone else and thus have more rights.
 
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Dave is a knob and every one knows it. (Infraction point for Chasey :devilban:)

I personally don't mind him despite being on the but end of some of his self perceived wisdom. Several of my Friends are knobs too and no doubt they regard me as one as well. Its a by product of being overly vocal with your opinions

I do find some of his stuff a little to supportive of who ever hes working with this week but perhaps i am being oversensitive in that area.

Generally I'd like to have him around to spark off good threads and raise contentious issues, but if thats to be the case he needs to stop hurling crap at people when hes loosing the debate and he needs to back off big time when it comes to upsetting the people with the thankless task of running the site.


ATB

Mark
 
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I enjoy reading post when i see other,s with a different point of view,
and Dave has that different point of view , and make,s for good reading .

Seems once again Dave,s out in the cold,
I sent him some green just this week , saying hold back a bit m8 , you cant go round telling the truth , they will be after your blood .

mmmmmm seems to so ,

ill miss his input , and i think this forum will go the way of the burger,
ie i log in read for 3 mins and long out nothing to see or debate, as they are all singing from the same photocopied Sheet,

Dave has been rubbing the new boss for some time ,
and id be hard pushed to think this ban has feek all to do with that ,

good luck to you Dave, :worship:

just my two bob ,
 
Whatever your opinion regarding Dave, he does, as Mark points out spark some interesting threads which challenges thought......

This is why i joined this forum, to openly review what more experienced CCR divers are doing, in turn review my equipment & dive procedures.

I can then make a judgement call on what might work for me, for my type of re-breather & style of diving, & what to ignore.

I don't post much as I'm no word smith.......its easy to write a post that can be be perceived as aggressive etc by one party & not by another, open to interpretation or agenda etc etc.

I'll miss Dave's posts.......& the headaches making my two brain cells collide :argue:

Thx Claire & good luck to the new owners trying to herd cats......:big:
 
Hmm, that's a shame. As a new CCR diver, I was lurking around the boards. I felt that this board seemed to be a little more to my liking than others.

Now, I am probably slightly biased because I am a meg diver, but I feel that Dave's knowledge, even if you didn't like his delivery, was valuable and contributed to my liking of this board.

It's also funny, and ironic, that the way I actually found this board was due to a discussion about people being banned on another forum. They said that people got sick of all of the knowledgeable people being banned and felt that CCRx was a welcoming community for those people. Oh well. I was raised on the old TDS where anything went so maybe I just have thick skin on this stuff.

I am sure I will continue to hang around and dig for all of the information I can as a newb, but may miss the direct approach that some people have in delivering their information. And, as a newb to the board, maybe I missed a lot of things and am coming on the tail end of something.

Oh well, back to lurking. Maybe I'll get knowledgeable enough to start posting at some point.

Chris
 
Clare said:
I would not normally enter into a public debate about why any member has been banned. however on this occasion I need to state clearly that this was done under the old ownership and due to his behaviour towards members and the moderators over several months. I assure you that he was given the benefit of the doubt and room for manoeuvre on many occasions.

Perhaps rather than look for conspiracies in this, it may be better to conclude that as we current and past board owners of various forums are not in contact with each other and have no agreed strategy, perhaps the same outcome has been reached as we have all been subjected to the same standard of behaviour.

It is a shame. No one member should consider themselves more important than the community. One or two members who constantly breed malcontent make running a board a difficult and a thankless task. Dave has threatened to leave the board or post threads about how it should be run on numerous occasions as he did not like the light handed moderation style we chose to have. I guess, on my last day, I chose to take his advice ;)

For those who cry foul, think on this. All who run these boards do so voluntarily - there is no money in starting up a forum to give divers a place to hang out. They do not deserve to be harangued and bullied by one member (or others) who feel they are more important than anyone else and thus have more rights.
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Hello Clair,

Thank you for taking responsibility and stetting the record straight regarding the Sutton bad, it would have been easy for you to let the Thorntons deal with that situation but you didnt let that happen, that says a lot of very positive things about your character.

While I strongly disagree with your decision I admire the integrity and honesty you've demonstrated by owning the fact that it was your decision.

This planet could use more people like you.

Respect.

Jonathan
 
One good thing that has come out of all this is ,
Now when i read something posted on this forum by a forum member ,
ill know that the post is not just a guy giving his unbiased opinion.
of some rec ccr, or what ever , its posted by someone with a commercial interest in selling me something ,
much like the heollis explorer thread ,

maybe we could add to the top of this sort of post ,
THIS IS A Advertisements
IM TRYING TO FLOG YOU SOMETHING

at least when dave is talking BS , I know who is talking ,
 
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Mark Chase said:
Dave is a knob and every one knows it. (Infraction point for Chasey :devilban:)

I personally don't mind him despite being on the but end of some of his self perceived wisdom. Several of my Friends are knobs too and no doubt they regard me as one as well. Its a by product of being overly vocal with your opinions

I do find some of his stuff a little to supportive of who ever hes working with this week but perhaps i am being oversensitive in that area.

Generally I'd like to have him around to spark off good threads and raise contentious issues, but if thats to be the case he needs to stop hurling crap at people when hes loosing the debate and he needs to back off big time when it comes to upsetting the people with the thankless task of running the site.


ATB

Mark
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Hi Mark,

I understand what you're saying and you're not wrong but what I cant understand is why someone would get upset when Sutton or anyone else for that matter offends you...who really cares.

By getting upset, reacting or complaining about some post on the internet you send a clear message, and that message is as follows:

"I'm such a weak person that I'm going to give someone else the power and ability to control my reaction to a situation"

Why would anyone put themselves in that position? If you dont like it or agree move on.............

However if you have the ability to put your emotions aside and engage intelligently do so because thats the value of debate.

Jon

PS: When I say you I dont mean YOU.
 
Janos said:
On CCRX you clock up "infraction points" until you get a ban. Some expire after a time, others don't.

Dave clocked up enough points for a ban - and so got banned. I'm not going to go into the details other than to say that infractions were given over a period of time by Moderators who have been with CCRX from day one - nothing to do with the new owners.

Hope this clarifies things.

Janos
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Janos,

To be fair you gave me an infraction by mistake that was meant for Sutton and Bowen, did you un-ring that bell?

and was that the infraction that got Sutton banned? because Sutton says that thats the only infraction he was ever notified of......

and does that mean Sutton was on double secret probation all along?
 
I read this board daily, and enjoy Dave's posts in threads I've read. I'm puzzled, as I havent read one post from him I even remotely thought was grounds for banishment.

But I'm a noob, and will live with my naivete for awhile longer...
 
I'll share a quote from a conversation this morning between Dave and I.

" I bring but I do not take.

Nobody should fight to give away his intellectual value to those who do not wish to receive it. Ill help those who make the effort to find me. " - Dave.

Isn't it hypocrisy to put forth the notion that the forum is "lightly moderated" when without warning the tool used against a member is a ban? If you can refute postings with a logically constructed argument based on facts, that's one thing. But to use a muzzle rather than logic is the sign of fear.

Just my two cents.

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