Electronic vs manual CCR

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WFO said:
SMS? Is that patent you keep linking to with laminar flow module and pure inert gas?

I think one of those could be fun to build.
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This is the laminar resistance Canadian construction, which has more than 40 years.
I am a step further, takes into account ventilation, which gives a much more stable ppO2. Without any oxygen sensors.
SMS is the Same Mixing System, I'm not the author of such a concept.

Your previous post, I thought about what exactly, I do not like the mCCR. In comparison to all other closed circuits.

MCCR without the diver (It's about running the circulation) does not seek to stable, secure storage respiratory mixtures in the circumstances.

Such a feature is also eCCR and SMS SCR (account ventilation), SCR ordinary (CVR, CMR) already worse ppO2 varies with depth, the SCR CMF also effort.

It was fun at the same,
http://bazy.uprp.pl/patentwebaccess/patentImage.aspx?id=4696529&numer=-1
even the Russians fear (chief engineer in plants producing the SCR military). The solution obtained a patent, not is only a notification.

rc greet
 
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Anarchista,

the weakness in current rebreathers is the electronics and the O2 Cells, and if I understand correctly, your design/system works to 100+ meters without the need of electronics and O2 Sensors.

Bottom line, I am convinced and want to buy one such rebreather, and I'll pay multiples of the price of current rebreathers generally available in the tech/recreational market.

Where do I buy one, and how much?

I am ready to buy now (and thank-you for your valuable contribution and opening my eyes).
 
gianaameri said:
Anarchista,

the weakness in current rebreathers is the electronics and the O2 Cells, and if I understand correctly, your design/system works to 100+ meters without the need of electronics and O2 Sensors.

Bottom line, I am convinced and want to buy one such rebreather, and I'll pay multiples of the price of current rebreathers generally available in the tech/recreational market.

Where do I buy one, and how much?
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There is no one who will be brave production, do not do it, Aqua Lung and Respirator (Russia). This is the case of the one who has accumulated oxygen chemically. Flooding causes a very large production of O2 on the oxygen scrubber-generator, almost explosive reaction. So a nice conceptual design and likely to remain so.
(The cost of building the prototype is about $ 50 including a canister of oxygen generating mass, they are still produced in Faser are have No. NATO)

What else from the last application, it can be produced in the garage, because the information is not published in the open space.

rc greet
 
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gianaameri said:
Make the parts in your garage and I buy, assemble, and test them.

Not the O2 exploding one though.
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2KO2 + H20 -> 2KOH + 1,5O2
As you cycle rapidly complemented oxygen is getting a big problem with its toxicity. Even Bill Stone offered her water impermeable membrane to protect against this risk.
Testing times for a living man to unnecessary risks, can be tested under appropriate conditions of ventilation and wear oxygens from circulation, in a wide range of temperatures, for example, the equipment for this work have the Naval Academy in Gdynia, Poland, is a certified laboratory you can instantly get the CE.

gianaameri said:
your design/system works to 100+ meters without the need of electronics and O2 Sensors.
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Range up to 100m is allowed greater depths are possible to achieve if we know exactly the diver maximum oxygen level (Ke). This technique is based on the physiological responses. Interspiro tested this concept to 150 m in water and 450 m in the chamber in a simulated dive.

greet rc
 
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anarchista said:
2KO2 + H20 -> 2KOH + 1,5O2
As you cycle rapidly complemented oxygen is getting a big problem with its toxicity. Even Bill Stone offered her water impermeable membrane to protect against this risk.
Testing times for a living man to unnecessary risks, can be tested under appropriate conditions of ventilation and wear oxygens from circulation, in a wide range of temperatures, for example, the equipment for this work have the Naval Academy in Gdynia, Poland, is a certified laboratory you can instantly get the CE.



Range up to 100m is allowed greater depths are possible to achieve if we know exactly the diver maximum oxygen level (Ke). This technique is based on the physiological responses. Interspiro tested this concept to 150 m in water and 450 m in the chamber in a simulated dive.

greet rc
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I do not want CE.

Can you deliver a rebreather similar to the Interspiro (or the Interspiro) for $$$?
 
gianaameri said:
O.K., yours is same as eCCR (pPO2 = Setpoint), but with no electronics and no O2 sensor?
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So it can be accomplished, the better level than did the Canadians in SIVA + Carleton had now Cobham. You can also achieve constant ppO2 if you enter the counting ventilation. This advantages has the technique of "pure gases".

greet rc
 
So my understanding,

Laminar flow type valve gives gas of constant PPO2... canadian system used constant flow of this gas.

Development of this system would be like RB80, but feeding ADV with a constant PPO2 gas mixed on demand from pure gases.

Have I got the idea right?
 
WFO said:
So my understanding,

Laminar flow type valve gives gas of constant PPO2... canadian system used constant flow of this gas.

Development of this system would be like RB80, but feeding ADV with a constant PPO2 gas mixed on demand from pure gases.

Have I got the idea right?
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gianaameri said:
a. Assumption, or b. Fact ?
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The first patent is stirring the mixture to a proper depth and the counted ventilation each cycle in the embodiment of the mixing pressure. Knowledge of oxygen diver limit, allows you to prepare the right mixture. Since the dosage is in accordance with the ppO2 ventilation remains constant with effort. You do not have Canadian SCR J.B. Morrison.
The second patent is used instead of the oxygen generating mass.
Again, we have the SCR in the same class CMR Oxygen, inert directly (quite)poportional to depth. Also counting the ventilation, on gas up to system.
A third solution is modifications ACSC and SCR CVR (DC 55, Oxy Mix, RB 80) to constant ppO2.

greet rc
 
anarchista said:
Since the dosage is in accordance with the ppO2 ventilation remains constant with effort.
greet rc
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Correlated with effort, I agree.

But NOT "constant."

You can achieve an acceptable pPO2, but not constant pPO2.

Do you have patent which does not require O2 generator which can explode?
 
gianaameri said:
Correlated with effort, I agree.

But NOT "constant."

You can achieve an acceptable pPO2, but not constant pPO2.

Do you have patent which does not require O2 generator which can explode?
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The numbers I have given, in my profile.

The first version of the patent application 377789 was full derivation of the ppO2 is constant at level 1 bar. Then been refined overdrive to higher and lower values. Version of the publication does not have these elements.
Recent report presented at the Aqua Lung Military is simple and non-explosive, use soda lime.

greet rc
 
anarchista said:
Strona gÅ***8218;ówna - UrzÄ***8230;d Patentowy Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej

The first version is at the moment only as bitmaps saved as a pdf. in
Polish.

greet rc
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I need numbers in a spreadsheet (Polish I do not understand).

I can see how your design gives good "correlation" between effort and target pPO2 under the tested conditions, but no more than that.

It is very good though, and would like to buy one such rebreather one day.

I have a "free" idea which you can turn into a patent and make $$$ to add to your design.

If you have email, I will email it to you.
 
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