JJ bov and CE

ccrdave · September 10th, 2012, 03:41 PM

ok there is a bit of noise about this so I will tell you what I can and what I know so far

the main hold up of the CE is the on going discussion with the notified body, who are saying you cant CE a bov as there is no standard!! we tell them just use en 250 and they are thinking about it.......snore!!!!

the other problem we have is scubapro do not make the the specific parts that we use anymore and so alternatives have to be sourced. we must show a continuous supply of these parts for CE.

so its got nothing to do with the current BOV not passing, as far as I am aware its not even got to that stage.

so thats what I know and what I can say is we will get there!.

matt · September 10th, 2012, 05:21 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by ccrdave)

the main hold up of the CE is the on going discussion with the notified body, who are saying you cant CE a bov as there is no standard!! we tell them just use en 250 and they are thinking about it.......snore!!!!

Weird. Perhaps mention there are other BOV's (Sentinel, APD, others) that seem to have passed...?

Venomguy · September 10th, 2012, 10:55 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by matthewoutram)

Weird. Perhaps mention there are other BOV's (Sentinel, APD, others) that seem to have passed...?

Good to know , but I am over all the CE certification flap, the other day I saw CE dust bin lids at the hardware store??, talk about beurocracy gone mad...

Remco · September 11th, 2012, 09:31 AM

i have seen a lot of crap whit a CE mark on it....
( electrical ) so i do not believe in this system.

Ben Field · September 11th, 2012, 10:09 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Remco)

i have seen a lot of crap whit a CE mark on it....
( electrical ) so i do not believe in this system.

PLEASE- Let us not have to have the long explanations and arguements about CE and stick to rebreathers- Please I Beg of you?

If you do not understand CE marking and testing then don't contribute, if you want to (and you'd be certifiable if you do) go and read and learn about it.

The CE on your electrical crap, toaster, TV, Car, pen, mouse trap, condom, battery etc are are totally different, some are self certified, others rigorously 3rd party tested, some require massive volumes of paperwork and standards to be met, others need a glance as they drop into the packet.

Suffice to say your statement above is nonsense, its like saying- "i have seen a lot of crap whit Made in China on it.... ( electrical ) so i do not believe in this system." Since almost all electrical stuff is made in China (both good and bad) its irrelavent where it was made, ditto its irrelavent that your crap electricals with CE on them bear no relation to CE for rebreathers.

Please lets remain on target?

argonauta · September 11th, 2012, 05:38 PM

How long is the service of the BOV secured?

Quote: (Originally Posted by ccrdave)

the other problem we have is scubapro do not make the the specific parts that we use anymore and so alternatives have to be sourced

ccrdave · September 11th, 2012, 06:38 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by argonauta)

How long is the service of the BOV secured?

For a long while I would guess, those scubapro parts are still available but because they (scubapro) say they will no longer make any more we cannot CE the bov with those parts in.
Remeber the parts are from an air 2 and scubapro will still have to service their customers who bought an air 2 so I reckon it will be a while before they run out and anyway the parts used are pretty long lived

***nickb*** · September 11th, 2012, 08:04 PM

There are very few parts required to service the BOV. O-rings are widely available. The only Scubapro parts you require are the valve seat rubber and possibly the nylon nut, although the latter can be re-used many times and the former can be turned over once it's worn. I'm pretty sure the same parts are in the R190/290/380/390 service kit which will be around for many years.

In addition to that a spare diaphragm is something you should have in your spares kit, but I know for a fact that a torn one can be patched with some Tear-Aid in an emergency.

Remco · September 12th, 2012, 07:39 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

PLEASE- Let us not have to have the long explanations and arguements about CE and stick to rebreathers- Please I Beg of you?

If you do not understand CE marking and testing then don't contribute, if you want to (and you'd be certifiable if you do) go and read and learn about it.

The CE on your electrical crap, toaster, TV, Car, pen, mouse trap, condom, battery etc are are totally different, some are self certified, others rigorously 3rd party tested, some require massive volumes of paperwork and standards to be met, others need a glance as they drop into the packet.

Suffice to say your statement above is nonsense, its like saying- "i have seen a lot of crap whit Made in China on it.... ( electrical ) so i do not believe in this system." Since almost all electrical stuff is made in China (both good and bad) its irrelavent where it was made, ditto its irrelavent that your crap electricals with CE on them bear no relation to CE for rebreathers.

Please lets remain on target?

you having a different view than mine , does not make me change my mind.I have tried to ex plane the fact that CE norm is a lot of paper work and does not contribute to safety and trustworthy equipment at all.

matt · September 12th, 2012, 10:02 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Remco)

you having a different view than mine , does not make me change my mind.I have tried to ex plane the fact that CE norm is a lot of paper work and does not contribute to safety and trustworthy equipment at all.

I disagree, CE adds a great deal to the process. For a start it keep all unscrupulous vendors out of the market and means we only have units that meet some base standard and not some bog-pipe that's guinea-pig tested by divers. Each to their own though, I certainly have little interest in theoretical discussion about it.

Matt.

September 10th, 2012, 03:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
ccrdave New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: forest of Dean Posts: 206 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	JJ bov and CE ok there is a bit of noise about this so I will tell you what I can and what I know so far the main hold up of the CE is the on going discussion with the notified body, who are saying you cant CE a bov as there is no standard!! we tell them just use en 250 and they are thinking about it.......snore!!!! the other problem we have is scubapro do not make the the specific parts that we use anymore and so alternatives have to be sourced. we must show a continuous supply of these parts for CE. so its got nothing to do with the current BOV not passing, as far as I am aware its not even got to that stage. so thats what I know and what I can say is we will get there!.
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September 10th, 2012, 05:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
matt New Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,541 Thanks: 168 Thanked 74 Times in 60 Posts	Quote: (Originally Posted by ccrdave) the main hold up of the CE is the on going discussion with the notified body, who are saying you cant CE a bov as there is no standard!! we tell them just use en 250 and they are thinking about it.......snore!!!! Weird. Perhaps mention there are other BOV's (Sentinel, APD, others) that seem to have passed...?
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September 10th, 2012, 10:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
Venomguy New Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: PNG Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: (Originally Posted by matthewoutram) Weird. Perhaps mention there are other BOV's (Sentinel, APD, others) that seem to have passed...? Good to know , but I am over all the CE certification flap, the other day I saw CE dust bin lids at the hardware store??, talk about beurocracy gone mad...
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September 11th, 2012, 09:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
Remco New Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Netherlands Posts: 161 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i have seen a lot of crap whit a CE mark on it.... ( electrical ) so i do not believe in this system.
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September 11th, 2012, 10:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ben Field New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 235 Thanks: 23 Thanked 77 Times in 32 Posts	Quote: (Originally Posted by Remco) i have seen a lot of crap whit a CE mark on it.... ( electrical ) so i do not believe in this system. PLEASE- Let us not have to have the long explanations and arguements about CE and stick to rebreathers- Please I Beg of you? If you do not understand CE marking and testing then don't contribute, if you want to (and you'd be certifiable if you do) go and read and learn about it. The CE on your electrical crap, toaster, TV, Car, pen, mouse trap, condom, battery etc are are totally different, some are self certified, others rigorously 3rd party tested, some require massive volumes of paperwork and standards to be met, others need a glance as they drop into the packet. Suffice to say your statement above is nonsense, its like saying- "i have seen a lot of crap whit Made in China on it.... ( electrical ) so i do not believe in this system." Since almost all electrical stuff is made in China (both good and bad) its irrelavent where it was made, ditto its irrelavent that your crap electricals with CE on them bear no relation to CE for rebreathers. Please lets remain on target?
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September 11th, 2012, 05:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
argonauta New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Zürich Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How long is the service of the BOV secured? Quote: (Originally Posted by ccrdave) the other problem we have is scubapro do not make the the specific parts that we use anymore and so alternatives have to be sourced
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September 11th, 2012, 06:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
ccrdave New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: forest of Dean Posts: 206 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Quote: (Originally Posted by argonauta) How long is the service of the BOV secured? For a long while I would guess, those scubapro parts are still available but because they (scubapro) say they will no longer make any more we cannot CE the bov with those parts in. Remeber the parts are from an air 2 and scubapro will still have to service their customers who bought an air 2 so I reckon it will be a while before they run out and anyway the parts used are pretty long lived
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September 11th, 2012, 08:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
*nickb* The JJ Kid Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cardiff, UK Posts: 515 Thanks: 78 Thanked 89 Times in 62 Posts	There are very few parts required to service the BOV. O-rings are widely available. The only Scubapro parts you require are the valve seat rubber and possibly the nylon nut, although the latter can be re-used many times and the former can be turned over once it's worn. I'm pretty sure the same parts are in the R190/290/380/390 service kit which will be around for many years. In addition to that a spare diaphragm is something you should have in your spares kit, but I know for a fact that a torn one can be patched with some Tear-Aid in an emergency.
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September 12th, 2012, 07:39 AM	#9 (permalink)
Remco New Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Netherlands Posts: 161 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) PLEASE- Let us not have to have the long explanations and arguements about CE and stick to rebreathers- Please I Beg of you? If you do not understand CE marking and testing then don't contribute, if you want to (and you'd be certifiable if you do) go and read and learn about it. The CE on your electrical crap, toaster, TV, Car, pen, mouse trap, condom, battery etc are are totally different, some are self certified, others rigorously 3rd party tested, some require massive volumes of paperwork and standards to be met, others need a glance as they drop into the packet. Suffice to say your statement above is nonsense, its like saying- "i have seen a lot of crap whit Made in China on it.... ( electrical ) so i do not believe in this system." Since almost all electrical stuff is made in China (both good and bad) its irrelavent where it was made, ditto its irrelavent that your crap electricals with CE on them bear no relation to CE for rebreathers. Please lets remain on target? you having a different view than mine , does not make me change my mind.I have tried to ex plane the fact that CE norm is a lot of paper work and does not contribute to safety and trustworthy equipment at all.
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September 12th, 2012, 10:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
matt New Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,541 Thanks: 168 Thanked 74 Times in 60 Posts	Quote: (Originally Posted by Remco) you having a different view than mine , does not make me change my mind.I have tried to ex plane the fact that CE norm is a lot of paper work and does not contribute to safety and trustworthy equipment at all. I disagree, CE adds a great deal to the process. For a start it keep all unscrupulous vendors out of the market and means we only have units that meet some base standard and not some bog-pipe that's guinea-pig tested by divers. Each to their own though, I certainly have little interest in theoretical discussion about it. Matt.
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