Satori pSCR

Scoop UK · August 29th, 2012, 01:31 PM

Hi,

Anyone have any experience of this rebreather? I read conflicting information, some people (who I know have seen one and used one) say the build quality is very good for the price. Others say it's not very good. Seems like a well priced rebreather which is something of a rarity.

Like the idea of pSCR over CCR and being from a DIR background it makes sense to me.

Thanks,

Sam

Absenthe · August 29th, 2012, 09:05 PM

Hi Sam

I have not used this unit, I have try dived a Kiss Gem.

The Gem is a nice piece of kit, but due to the cost of the unit with training and the unit keeping Deco obligations the same as Scuba I was pointed in the direction of CCR (many thanks to these people)

Why do you feel s SCR is for you?

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scoop UK)

Hi,

Anyone have any experience of this rebreather? I read conflicting information, some people (who I know have seen one and used one) say the build quality is very good for the price. Others say it's not very good. Seems like a well priced rebreather which is something of a rarity.

Like the idea of pSCR over CCR and being from a DIR background it makes sense to me.

Thanks,

Sam

Scoop UK · August 29th, 2012, 09:19 PM

It seems to be a convenient way of extending available gas yet still have integrated bailout (ie, within backgas). It has the familiarity of a twinset and is compatible with a diving community I have involvment with, the DIR crowd. It is also a serious bit of kit for big exploration dives albeit with more of a logistical demand than fully closed systems.

A new Satori pSCR and training can be obtained for less than £2000 so the cost isn't an issue.

Iain3 · August 30th, 2012, 04:56 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scoop UK)

It seems to be a convenient way of extending available gas yet still have integrated bailout (ie, within backgas). It has the familiarity of a twinset and is compatible with a diving community I have involvment with, the DIR crowd. It is also a serious bit of kit for big exploration dives albeit with more of a logistical demand than fully closed systems.

A new Satori pSCR and training can be obtained for less than £2000 so the cost isn't an issue.

Integrated bailout isn't an issue, a BOV will give access to dil and a cheater or 2nd stage on the O2 side can give access to the O2.

Depending on the dive you may not be able to reach the surface on backgas alone, but for those dives you take bailout whether you are on CCR or SCR.

Regarding fitting in, DIR are apparently more accepting of the JJ, more expensive but worth investigating if you haven't already.

Teppo · August 30th, 2012, 06:02 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scoop UK)

A new Satori pSCR and training can be obtained for less than £2000 so the cost isn't an issue.

How is teaching SATORI courses and for what organisation?

Teppo

Scoop UK · August 30th, 2012, 07:28 AM

@Iain3 - I know the JJ has been favoured amongst many who have made the change from OC DIR to CCR but it is ridiculously expensive. I like the idea of having no electronics although I would likely retain a po2 monitor which is mandatory during training as I'm aware of incidents where even very experienced divers have plugged in the wrong gas.

I'm a believer that you can use a rebreather for any diving. It doesn't just have to be massive deep dives or whopping cave penetrations. I think going pSCR would suit these lower level dives too, eg 40m wreck dives. I reckon I could get 3-4 decent duration dives out of a set of twin 12s and with no need for carrying a stage bottle as bailout. Also though, with a 6 hour scrubber, it is capable of doing much more in the future so I can gain experience on the same unit and grow with it.

If anyone has any first hand experience of the Satori I'll be very keen to hear about it.

DeepUnderground · August 30th, 2012, 08:41 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scoop UK)

@Iain3 - I know the JJ has been favoured amongst many who have made the change from OC DIR to CCR but it is ridiculously expensive. I like the idea of having no electronics although I would likely retain a po2 monitor which is mandatory during training as I'm aware of incidents where even very experienced divers have plugged in the wrong gas.

I'm a believer that you can use a rebreather for any diving. It doesn't just have to be massive deep dives or whopping cave penetrations. I think going pSCR would suit these lower level dives too, eg 40m wreck dives. I reckon I could get 3-4 decent duration dives out of a set of twin 12s and with no need for carrying a stage bottle as bailout. Also though, with a 6 hour scrubber, it is capable of doing much more in the future so I can gain experience on the same unit and grow with it.

If anyone has any first hand experience of the Satori I'll be very keen to hear about it.

you cant drive the rebreather from just backgas..... if you were diving to 40m you would need a stage of 50% and back gas otherwise you might die !

Scoop UK · August 30th, 2012, 08:48 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepUnderground)

you cant drive the rebreather from just backgas..... if you were diving to 40m you would need a stage of 50% and back gas otherwise you might die !

Thanks, I've read conflicting information. On the one hand it supposedly is possible. On the other... well... what you said!

Until I seek training I won't know I guess. Been trying to calculate o2 drop but it's rather complicated!

As an aside this is rather interesting! The â***8364;***382;Recreational pSCR Configurationâ***8364;***339; - Inner Space Explorers

DeepUnderground · August 30th, 2012, 10:22 AM

Either way to keep a decent level of oxygen in the loop whilst shallow, or to speed up deco if you wish to spend a decent amount of time at depth you would want a stage of something richer...

That links interesting, i remeber having a halcyon catalogue many years ago, around 2004 i think which had many pictures of the rb80 being dived recreationally, maybe had 2/3 litre tank strapped on the side like a pony !

Scoop UK · August 30th, 2012, 10:27 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepUnderground)

Either way to keep a decent level of oxygen in the loop whilst shallow, or to speed up deco if you wish to spend a decent amount of time at depth you would want a stage of something richer...

That links interesting, i remeber having a halcyon catalogue many years ago, around 2004 i think which had many pictures of the rb80 being dived recreationally, maybe had 2/3 litre tank strapped on the side like a pony !

I suppose it's good practice in handling stages and changing drive gases. I don't understand the mentality of only using these tools that can easily kill you (or allow you to kill yourself) on the most demanding dives... as if you haven't got enough going on without lack of familiarity being an issue too! Good idea to get familiar on the shallower dives.

As for the recreational RB80... I think you'd be beaten to death with turtle fins, stabbed with a blunt knife, strung up with hog loops and have boltsnaps attached to your nipples if you turned up like that some places!

August 29th, 2012, 01:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Scoop UK New Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Satori pSCR Hi, Anyone have any experience of this rebreather? I read conflicting information, some people (who I know have seen one and used one) say the build quality is very good for the price. Others say it's not very good. Seems like a well priced rebreather which is something of a rarity. Like the idea of pSCR over CCR and being from a DIR background it makes sense to me. Thanks, Sam
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Absenthe New Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gloucester - UK Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Sam I have not used this unit, I have try dived a Kiss Gem. The Gem is a nice piece of kit, but due to the cost of the unit with training and the unit keeping Deco obligations the same as Scuba I was pointed in the direction of CCR (many thanks to these people) Why do you feel s SCR is for you? Quote: (Originally Posted by Scoop UK) Hi, Anyone have any experience of this rebreather? I read conflicting information, some people (who I know have seen one and used one) say the build quality is very good for the price. Others say it's not very good. Seems like a well priced rebreather which is something of a rarity. Like the idea of pSCR over CCR and being from a DIR background it makes sense to me. Thanks, Sam
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August 29th, 2012, 09:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
Scoop UK New Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It seems to be a convenient way of extending available gas yet still have integrated bailout (ie, within backgas). It has the familiarity of a twinset and is compatible with a diving community I have involvment with, the DIR crowd. It is also a serious bit of kit for big exploration dives albeit with more of a logistical demand than fully closed systems. A new Satori pSCR and training can be obtained for less than £2000 so the cost isn't an issue.
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August 30th, 2012, 04:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
Iain3 Big Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Posts: 246 Thanks: 15 Thanked 24 Times in 12 Posts	Quote: (Originally Posted by Scoop UK) It seems to be a convenient way of extending available gas yet still have integrated bailout (ie, within backgas). It has the familiarity of a twinset and is compatible with a diving community I have involvment with, the DIR crowd. It is also a serious bit of kit for big exploration dives albeit with more of a logistical demand than fully closed systems. A new Satori pSCR and training can be obtained for less than £2000 so the cost isn't an issue. Integrated bailout isn't an issue, a BOV will give access to dil and a cheater or 2nd stage on the O2 side can give access to the O2. Depending on the dive you may not be able to reach the surface on backgas alone, but for those dives you take bailout whether you are on CCR or SCR. Regarding fitting in, DIR are apparently more accepting of the JJ, more expensive but worth investigating if you haven't already. Last edited by Iain3; August 30th, 2012 at 04:58 AM.
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Teppo New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Finland Posts: 15 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: (Originally Posted by Scoop UK) A new Satori pSCR and training can be obtained for less than £2000 so the cost isn't an issue. How is teaching SATORI courses and for what organisation? Teppo
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August 30th, 2012, 07:28 AM	#6 (permalink)
Scoop UK New Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	@Iain3 - I know the JJ has been favoured amongst many who have made the change from OC DIR to CCR but it is ridiculously expensive. I like the idea of having no electronics although I would likely retain a po2 monitor which is mandatory during training as I'm aware of incidents where even very experienced divers have plugged in the wrong gas. I'm a believer that you can use a rebreather for any diving. It doesn't just have to be massive deep dives or whopping cave penetrations. I think going pSCR would suit these lower level dives too, eg 40m wreck dives. I reckon I could get 3-4 decent duration dives out of a set of twin 12s and with no need for carrying a stage bottle as bailout. Also though, with a 6 hour scrubber, it is capable of doing much more in the future so I can gain experience on the same unit and grow with it. If anyone has any first hand experience of the Satori I'll be very keen to hear about it.
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August 30th, 2012, 08:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
DeepUnderground New Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: South West Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Quote: (Originally Posted by Scoop UK) @Iain3 - I know the JJ has been favoured amongst many who have made the change from OC DIR to CCR but it is ridiculously expensive. I like the idea of having no electronics although I would likely retain a po2 monitor which is mandatory during training as I'm aware of incidents where even very experienced divers have plugged in the wrong gas. I'm a believer that you can use a rebreather for any diving. It doesn't just have to be massive deep dives or whopping cave penetrations. I think going pSCR would suit these lower level dives too, eg 40m wreck dives. I reckon I could get 3-4 decent duration dives out of a set of twin 12s and with no need for carrying a stage bottle as bailout. Also though, with a 6 hour scrubber, it is capable of doing much more in the future so I can gain experience on the same unit and grow with it. If anyone has any first hand experience of the Satori I'll be very keen to hear about it. you cant drive the rebreather from just backgas..... if you were diving to 40m you would need a stage of 50% and back gas otherwise you might die !
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August 30th, 2012, 08:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
Scoop UK New Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepUnderground) you cant drive the rebreather from just backgas..... if you were diving to 40m you would need a stage of 50% and back gas otherwise you might die ! Thanks, I've read conflicting information. On the one hand it supposedly is possible. On the other... well... what you said! Until I seek training I won't know I guess. Been trying to calculate o2 drop but it's rather complicated! As an aside this is rather interesting! The â*8364;382;Recreational pSCR Configurationâ8364;339; - Inner Space Explorers Last edited by Scoop UK; August 30th, 2012 at 09:03 AM. Reason: Add link*
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DeepUnderground New Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: South West Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Either way to keep a decent level of oxygen in the loop whilst shallow, or to speed up deco if you wish to spend a decent amount of time at depth you would want a stage of something richer... That links interesting, i remeber having a halcyon catalogue many years ago, around 2004 i think which had many pictures of the rb80 being dived recreationally, maybe had 2/3 litre tank strapped on the side like a pony !
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August 30th, 2012, 10:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
Scoop UK New Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: (Originally Posted by DeepUnderground) Either way to keep a decent level of oxygen in the loop whilst shallow, or to speed up deco if you wish to spend a decent amount of time at depth you would want a stage of something richer... That links interesting, i remeber having a halcyon catalogue many years ago, around 2004 i think which had many pictures of the rb80 being dived recreationally, maybe had 2/3 litre tank strapped on the side like a pony ! I suppose it's good practice in handling stages and changing drive gases. I don't understand the mentality of only using these tools that can easily kill you (or allow you to kill yourself) on the most demanding dives... as if you haven't got enough going on without lack of familiarity being an issue too! Good idea to get familiar on the shallower dives. As for the recreational RB80... I think you'd be beaten to death with turtle fins, stabbed with a blunt knife, strung up with hog loops and have boltsnaps attached to your nipples if you turned up like that some places!
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